Dealing with the J20
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@regev
Hi,Sound advice, but unfortunately, F22 is unavailable in the Rolling Fire campaign and the few F15s are only sporadically available at this stage of the campaign due to prior tasking pressures. As a general rule I’m somewhat loathe to take control of any other Squadrons apart from my own, and play the cards I’m dealt, in the name of immersion.
You are probably right in your assertion regarding F16 v J20 1v1 in a DF situation. However in campaign there are other factors at play, including friendly formations in the area to distract the bandit (And use up his ordnance), the use of AWACS which can assist with BRA vectoring and the large distances from the J20 Homeplate in Shenyang PRC. There is also the fact that the J20 seems to press attacks even after their missiles have all been used.
The F16 can win ( I have now splashed 5 of the beasts) with a lot of patience and some luck).
Regards
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@Dram They are if your server admin adds them.
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@Dram said in Dealing with the J20:
Hi,
My Squadron (36th FS) is equipped with the Block 40 F16, based at OSAN in this campaign.
Regards
Dram.Viper is not able to deal with modern a2a threat, best should be to send Raptor, and if none are available, try Eagle, they have been the air superiority fighter of the USAF until the Raptor came in.
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@Dram said in Dealing with the J20:
Hi,
I concur, but unfortunately F22 is unavailable in Rolling Fire.
Regards
Dram.I agree with the others, best choice is to turn and stay away from the J-20’s.
But honestly, I think the J-20 shouldn’t be included in the campaigns at all. Especially if the F-22 isn’t available. There’s a mismatch there. The J-20 cannot be modelled realistically (just like the F-22) and in real life modern day F-16’s have toys available that we don’t have yet in BMS, like AESA radar. Not that that would be a fair fight, but it’s not really realistic to have modern 5th gen fighters against F-16’s that don’t have the latest upgrades.
@TOPOLO said in Dealing with the J20:
Viper is not able to deal with modern a2a threat, best should be to send Raptor, and if none are available, try Eagle, they have been the air superiority fighter of the USAF until the Raptor came in.
Eagles wouldn’t fare much better than F-16’s against 5th gen fighters.
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I have 2 suggestions:
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use MISSION COMMANDER and take the J-20s off. You can replace then for SU-35 or MIGs…
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Create an scort team with F-15s or F22s in your base and always use them…
I’ve never killed a J-20… but died for them a lot LOL
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That is, why many campaigners remove the J20 squadron via Missions Commander. A F-22 squadron comming in later in the campaign would be nice.
Before China enters the war, I often have gone over to a strategy of bombing war production or doing AI (after taking out air defenses and airbases and working down the North Korean airforce).
When this event plays, I reset the priority sliders and PAKs at once to an overly defensive strategy (PAK only near the FLOT, defensive counter air and aircraft to almost max).The problem are not only the J20, but all the Su-35 and 30s crammed on chinese airbases.
And the J20 fly all over the map in every direction (just load a savegame joining their squadron to prove this).So I always take out the Laoning carrier first and then try to take out one of their main airbases to attrite the fighters of the other one before the first one gets repaired. If you have a good timing, you take out the other one just before the first one gets active again.
You have 2 options:
Attack Shenyang airbase and go against a bunch of SA-10 beside the J20. Plan the giant attack Packages flying in over the sea in the west.Or attack Ljuhe airbase where you will have a really hard time getting to the target over land with all those waves of Flankers and J20.
I prefer the first way. When the J20 come back again, it is much easier because many of the Flankers are gone.
Of course, the Maddog tactic is very helpful, but I’m so good at it to attrite the entire squadron in endless missions. Also, your entire airforce suffers a lot in this phase.
See here how to fight them in a good strategic way (some called it suicidal, but the total losses of your forces are lower by far!):
https://forum.falcon-bms.com/topic/24929/china-enters-war-remove-j-20-strategic-approach?_=1710585937034 -
@bmebr said in Dealing with the J20:
- Create an Escort team with F-15s or F22s in your base and always use them…
^ Best way for sure. With proper fragging of support flights you can even frag campaign bombing missions in the area and don’t get touched at all…unless you enjoy fragging improbable odds missions.
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@Atze-0 I must try it in the future!!
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After running into them during the course of the campaign. I would eventually focus on laying down ambush CAP for the J-20. I would determine their general Patrol route. They plan BARCAPs and TARCAP in different directions. The Objective is to get the J-20 mixed in close with other fighters. Then you have a chance of catching them. I shot down about 6 J-20 using this method while losing also 6 jets on my side. So in general seems like a reasonable exchange.