Europe Theater Discussion
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Guys, I have been working on a Europe Theater since Open Falcon.
http://www.europe-theater.com/forum/ -> DON’T REGISTER! You won’t see anything, it’s for developers only.
It’s a 128 seg. Theater. Apart from that it’s hardly news, we even discussed it here at the BMS board several times already…https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?14432-Max-theater-size
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So here is our status report: Work done in the last 6 months: Lazystone has worked on terrain stuff, to create a basic terrain, he is - correct me if I’m wrong - far from being finished.
A small timeline correction …
Well, it’s true that in fact the terrain is far from being finished, Terrain devs would say it’s just started.
But I’ve stoped working on the terrain Nov 2012, to join forces with “Lukas”,
because I’m a terrain noob and he has already done a lot of work on his EU terrain.
To get where he already is would take me … uhmm … 3 years I think.So in the last 6 months I’ve created my very first AC model, … actually not far from being finished.
… usually 3- 4 weeksOnce this is done I might go back to terrain deving again.
Cheers,
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What is the plan with the theater when will be ready to make campaigns and apply a DB?
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Can I give you something? This is The official developers smile:
Regards
Eghi -
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What is the plan with the theater when will be ready to make campaigns and apply a DB?
Did you read the above post
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Hey Tim,
still in LB???
Was there just on Sunday.Cheers
Biker -
This is what I mean more open…
U see ppl still don’t know that u develop or assemble or grow a team to develop EU theater…
Some screens could also help…
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Just a new find that might help: http://www.mil-airfields.de/index-en.htm
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LOL, Arty, that Site has been my reference since 2002.
Biker, actually no more LB, now S.
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Hi Sphynx,
Biker, actually no more LB, now S.
Are you still in ES (IIRC)?commuting between TÜ -> BB -> ES -> TÜ
Cheers
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I’d be interested in knowing if the Nordic countries would be included? The PMC europe theatre includes southern Norway, Sweden and Finland. At least Norway operates F-16 MLU’s
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…or this one - even bigger part of Scandinavia is possible(384 - is 192 my misstake with number…BTW not supported in terraineditor)
256 is the future for me…(no need for reactions gents)…suitable for Hornet/Tomcat and Gripen/Viggen as well
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?12677-Request-Europe-theater&p=173874&viewfull=1#post173874
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Remember that the F4 world is flat. The further you go from equator, the bigger the distortion. So the far north will be way off from reality.
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Remember that the F4 world is flat. The further you go from equator, the bigger the distortion. So the far north will be way off from reality.
But not around the meridian. The further from meridian, distortion is more noticeable.
That is why I stretched northern islands according 3D globe measurment in my last vip version.
It looks like this then ( i can freely stretch northern islands above Scandinavia, all 2D features are by hand in this area - no data):
I have even Iceland with its own projection (64 seg import) without any distortion (i can place it instead of current one)
BTW i have still Spanian coast prepared for further work…with version where is less sea around Bjornoya (mean I have shortened Greenland then)
I am still not sure which one to use …but Spanish is my favourite (coastal batteries, choppa + naval bases possible) - otherwise there is too much ocean on the west - I was too lazy to tile too much east from Moscow (but still wanted Moscow perimeter a lot, due to interesting SAM network…also this western movement (back) allowed more Buffin bay - mean better and more real Thule base (I am obsessed north last few years)
I have some bitmaps configs for north prepared, but waiting for devs response about diagonals (many, many small lakes there…)
No problem for me, i can wait (owerhelmed by RL work issues, but I liked to relax with tiling when snowed under RL work in the past… -
LS
You have E00 files for Russia? I saw the Kaliningrad…. there are roads rivers etc. . -
Lukas,
Despite the fact that you don’t want discussion about the 128 / 256 segment thing: 256 doubles (quadruples?) the complexity and amount of work needed, so if the average Falcon theater already takes many years for completion (if accomplished at all), 128 would provide a better chance for a finished theater. I’d rather fly Europe in 4 years time, than to watch graphics of a WIP on this forum in 6 years time.
Although a complete Scandinavia is teasing, of course
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Lukas,
Despite the fact that you don’t want discussion about the 128 / 256 segment thing: 256 doubles (quadruples?) the complexity and amount of work needed, so if the average Falcon theater already takes many years for completion (if accomplished at all), 128 would provide a better chance for a finished theater. I’d rather fly Europe in 4 years time, than to watch graphics of a WIP on this forum in 6 years time.
Although a complete Scandinavia is teasing, of course
I see your point Snail. 128 is completely tiled….but made according original F4 triangulation…i can not release even if i want ( watch https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?9734-X1-color-in-BMS-4-32&p=216790&viewfull=1#post216790)…and i dont want, because work was done outside 128 area…I have too much plans around Kola peninsula…192 is not supported by new terrain utilities …if i want to open it in TE, i must work with 256 version of it with empty NE - very impractical…so 256 is the only option - it also offers nice places as bonus (Iceland, Crymea, Svalbard, Thule…)
BTW before starting to speak about its size gents (150MB + additional MBs for campmap) , just count the amount of porn on your harddrives :razz:Otherwise I have plan to release 256 ver. for developers interested, when tri-issue solved. I can not tile half of theatre according old tri rule and another part to new rule. There is no need for whole area to be finished, just final composition needed.
It seems this is my current possition:
I can understand the desired code change is perhaps not as easy I imagine….no need to have a fix in month or two…just say if there is a will to solve it…whether it is possible and planned…I dont want to waste another valuable years ( my boys are growing so fast…)