Kneemap POH 0.7.0
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well itās quite simple since u have the files and the iconsā¦ Itās a simple action on mouse over an area to display a menu and then select an action that will point to another page where it will display the map photo data maip airport diagram whatever u have ready for each airport.
It can work online like RedDogās if u have hosting space or u could via free cloud space or offline by downloading. Iām sure itās a piece of cake for a web designer if u provide him the files, and Icons to use them as mouse over triggers.
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Thank you very much for your indications dear friend. As you say appears to be a simple job. Once finished the Kneemap think it would be interesting to look for volunteers for this task.
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well itās quite simple since u have the files and the iconsā¦ Itās a simple action on mouse over an area to display a menu and then select an action that will point to another page where it will display the map photo data maip airport diagram whatever u have ready for each airport.
It can work online like RedDogās if u have hosting space or u could via free cloud space or offline by downloading. Iām sure itās a piece of cake for a web designer if u provide him the files, and Icons to use them as mouse over triggers.
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you guys are talking nonsense.
things are always easy when you donāt have to do itthe interactive maps are not easy to do,even when you know how to design website.
it takes a lot of time to ensure that all the info match and are coherent throughout all the different modules: charts, map, ui map, terrain, coordinates etc etc
and even if you know how to program html and java, you still have to input a lot of data by handyou can believe the word of the guy who makes them !!
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Red Dog u r talking about creating them also.
The guys are making them, Iām talking about bundling them presenting them under WEB.
This doesnāt need any data or coding.
Itās just one page with as many buttons on it as many the airports are.
Once u create one the rest are just the same u just change the filenames and links.
If displaying the menu as in your wonderful maps is difficult, wanting some code maybe, well can be done and via another page that will contain the options, like 1. airport diagram 2.NOTAM 3.xxx 4.yyyy.
I believe we can leave with it and it would be way faster then having to search and find the file or page if itās a pdf with all the info or scattered files - pics etc.With now days apps this can be done very easily from dreamweaver to corel web designerā¦
Sure needs time if u have many info - files but itās mostly a repetition work then doing something new from scratch.
With my knowledge level (way looow) on the subject doesnāt sound difficult to start build it, meaning to structure it. Difficult will be to have the patience to finish it. Most of it is whatās called tedious (?) work.
The time guys spent to draw what was drawn on the map above could be used to make a very good start to make it Interactive. This if they already knew how to do it, meaning there was a guy with knowledge and time to do it.
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yeapā¦ :lol: also reminds the joke of look and learn how the hard work (sewers) is done cause else u will only carry the tools and stay outsideā¦
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i do them with Dreamweaver, but the airport data are still inserted by hand in the code !!
onclick="return overlib('N 36Ā°41.72 / E 127Ā°19.84 Elevation: 26 ft Runway 02L/20R - 02R/20L Tacan 052X Tower UHF: 353.10 Tower VHF: 136.75 <a <="" pre="">And if you do both VFR and Hi map, you need to do it twice because it's a double page which is a pain to maintain in double and i'm talking only about the interactive map, not creating them which is even more tedious as Joe knows :) > With my knowledge level (way looow) on the subject enough said ;-)</a>
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The time guys spent to draw what was drawn on the map above could be used to make a very good start to make it Interactive. This if they already knew how to do it, meaning there was a guy with knowledge and time to do it.
I have both, but the way he builds his system his data is locked into his format. I donāt want to have to recreate all his work, but if someone else wants to do the legwork I can build a working interface easily.
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I saw that RedDog via Fierefox Inspector and to tell u the truth I went huh? geo coordinates on a web page onclick event?
But Iām sure u know more then me. I use those building apps and just see the resultā¦ I donāt bother much about the code underneath. If it works ok if not tryā¦But as I see it this command is what is shown in the menu on clickā¦ if u have an excel sheet with those data (Iām sure there is one) u can create those command lines in a snap with concatenateā¦ to help u ease the load.
So since u r more knowledgeable on the subject I rest my caseā¦
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@Red:
i do them with Dreamweaver, but the airport data are still inserted by hand in the code !!
onclick="return overlib('N 36Ā°41.72 / E 127Ā°19.84 Elevation: 26 ft Runway 02L/20R - 02R/20L Tacan 052X Tower UHF: 353.10 Tower VHF: 136.75 <a <="" pre="">And if you do both VFR and Hi map, you need to do it twice because it's a double page which is a pain to maintain in double and i'm talking only about the interactive map, not creating them which is even more tedious as Joe knows :) enough said ;-)</a>
<a <=āā pre=āā>This is because youāre doing it wrong. If you had all of this code in a database and a proper front end GUI setup for it, you could write one function to display the data for each mode and then just pass in the DB variables, as many of them as you wanted, and it would be very easy to maintain because you would only have to change the underlying data.
How about this. I will set up the page, and give everyone a form for entering data. If they want to do the DB insertion, then they can build a useful tool, I will give them the framework to do it.
If he does have an excel sheet, and sends it to me, I can throw it into a DB in about two seconds.
Image maps, just like Dreamweaver, went out of Vogue in about 1997, largely for the reasons you mention above. Namely, maintainability.</a>
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This is because youāre doing it wrong
First,
I never said i do this right
i do it with the capability i have at my disposal, i certainly am not a web engineer or an IT guy
and whatever way you turn the problem, it will remain hard work. even if you can code it correctly.Second
there is always a guy to tell you are doing it wrong
thereās not only one way to do things
if itās stupid but works, it aināt stupid and last i checked, the interactive map worksi have seen multiple great coded app nobody can use because they are not documented well enough because coders donāt document their stuff, especially in the falcon world.
If he does have an excel sheet, and sends it to me, I can throw it into a DB in about two seconds.
2 seconds, my foot
It doesnāt take a web engineer to convert a xls spreadsheet to a db. i can do that on my ownBut the data in falcon is constantly changing, at this time i maintain twos for korea:
one for 432, one for 433 and even if i wanted to share that work, you fail to understand that it takes years to place all fixes at the correct spot. and then a new codes comes in for the tacan and you have to start from the ground up because all the coordinates were screwed and you need to start all over again. Because if you move the navaid station, you move all the fixes and the coordinates !!just please understand you guys only see the visible part of the iceberg, it took quite a bit of time to get there.
in the process, quite a few helping hands disappeared and itās very rare to find someone able to keep up in the long run.what you want is have the hard part made for you and then just put the cherry on the cake.
Even if it 's a lot of work for me, and even if itās the wrong way for you - once the hardest part is done, i actually enjoy putting the cherry on top as wellUp to now, only Joe Labrada had the guts to try on his own, And Nikos for the charts.
They have my respect.
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@Red:
just please understand you guys only see the visible part of the iceberg, it took quite a bit of time to get there.
in the process, quite a few helping hands disappeared and itās very rare to find someone able to keep up in the long run.I fully agree.
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Well on the other hand it can be and an initiative that something better (not for result, as your maps are above pro level) comes up for the making process and to ease up this load.
Example a tool to auto get the Falcon coordinates and elevation (or whatever) of the objectives would be greatly helpful I believe, Iām sure Monster with terrain editor can gather those info in a nice file to be exported as he has them available and displays-manipulates them in Terrain Editor.Instead of opening falcon going to Recon to get the coordinates or use Terrain editor to pan around the map with objectives on and write down the coordinates and elevations.
Monster are u reading here?
Next would be the availability of the maps specific symbols so that ppl could start working on those.
Also now that I come to think of it if u replace the terrain tiles with white ones or black (doable and way easy) u could display objectives on Terrain Editor Map and easily capture - get the airport layout map, instead of I donāt know what other time consuming procedure to draw the airport for the maps.
Those two I believe would help.
@Asharpe since u where so firm declaring a āwrong wayā, please do a sample of your described way so to help out guys and offload them. No need to have accurate data just use some random data to display explain the way.
Red Dog no one argues it needs too much time nor that your work or effort is not great or appreciated, everything in Falcon needs hard work and effort to be done. We love it so much that we would love to see it for every theater.
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@Red:
First,
2 seconds, my footFirst, Iāve been an IT Guru and a Web āEngineerā for 15 years. Yes, two seconds. You can export from Excel as a CSV and do a direct import of the CSV, letting the SQL Database create the tables for you.
@Red:
It doesnāt take a web engineer to convert a xls spreadsheet to a db. i can do that on my own
You can do it, my foot.
@Red:
But the data in falcon is constantly changing, at this time i maintain twos for korea:
one for 432, one for 433So you yourself have said your setup is hard to maintainā¦.and you yourself are admitting the data is constantly changing. This is exactly why you put it into a database.
With Dreamweaver image maps (1990ās tech) you have to update the image map and then recompile and export the image map everytime a piece of data changes. With a database you update the underlying data and the UI code for handling the map automatically adjusts everything for the changes. This is exactly why the industry stopped using image maps and started using databases.@Red:
and even if i wanted to share that work
And there in lies the rub. I am really getting tied of this. Why did you do this, if not to share it? Why is it so hard to share your data, versus the rest of the image? Do you have a copyright to protect? A trademark to protect? Some kind of secret in your image map code you are going to exploit for profit?
Not sharing your data is punishing the very community you are professing to help, for absolutely zero benefit to you.
@Red:
you fail to understand that it takes years to place all fixes at the correct spot. and then a new codes comes in for the tacan and you have to start from the ground up because all the coordinates were screwed and you need to start all over again. Because if you move the navaid station, you move all the fixes and the coordinates !!
Letās assume this is true. Letās assume you move the navaid station by a fixed factor. If this was a database, you could run a very simple update script to fix all the coordinates. Except itās not.
@Red:
what you want is have the hard part made for you and then just put the cherry on the cake.
I 100% concur. The data collection and entry is the hard part. That you have already done and refuse to share per your post right here:
@Red:
and even if i wanted to share that work
@Red:
All the rest in this discussion are just talking and criticizing and not doing anything
Thanks for not sharing your stolen information from Falcon. It makes everyoneās attempt to help you so much easier.
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First, Iāve been an IT Guru and a Web āEngineerā for 15 years.
ASharpe, your knowledge of web design could be very useful. I understand that you see the kneemaps (or management) as something simple (youāve almost certainly worked on more complex projects). Do not bother, please (I use a translator. I use simple sentences. I hope the meaning of my words is understood). I think you can understand that many of us (without your knowledge) have invested years in our small projects ā¦ with obstacles, short cuts, quick fixes, improvements, ā¦ but especially: great enthusiasm and determination (the that compensates for our deficiencies). And when we get a result (even if it was with a disproportionate effort) we are very satisfied with the result. We thought, ānevertheless, we made it!ā
@Red:
Up to now, only Joe Labrada had the guts to try on his own, And Nikos for the charts.
They have my respect.Iām no expert in photoshop, or web pages, no programming ā¦ I really just dominated the word and excel (programs that I studied for a review) ā¦
I am aware of my technical and artistic limitations. I am aware that, with the right knowledge, much of my work could have been done more quickly, effectively, and the results would be superior from an artistic point of view.
On more than one occasion I have had doubts that have blocked the project ā¦ But thanks to the support of people who know more than I could carry on and improve the project. There are so many people who have helped me itās hard to list them all ā¦ But I find them hard at this post: Arty (with your incredible video tutorials, do not hesitate to share your knowledge) RedDog (and years with our first stations.dat and your fabulous and inspiring work kneemaps) flyway (with patches of Portugal), Nikos and Nil (with perfectionism that I adore) ā¦ I am proud to have your help. If not for you POH 0.7.0 not see the light ever. Thank you very much to all.
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As promised:
EDIT: Link removed:
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Can we get a removal of that link please?
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I removed, but why you arenāt editing your own post? you can do that