Europe Theater Discussion
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It is very sad to read all of these.
Don’t worry, … life goes on, LOL.
A lot of times i have post in this forum that ALL the developers in every sector should work together in the same theater. The theaters could have a nice order via a poll thread for let’s say 1 (max. 2) months. This way we could have the best result, but….
Maybe you are right, but IMHO those “well known” devs fit
very nicely in the position they are right now.
… kind of natural selection.I really don’t know what to say. I personally love my country and offer 2 great years of work into the Aegean theater with the Aegean team.
But if we had this nice poll, i give you my word that i wouldn’t had any problem to respect the needs of this forum and work for the first theater that was been.
I think that this is the main reason for the fact that we haven’t any other theater so complete after the default Korea…
Nikos.No doubt, you would leave Aegean for the top theater of a poll,
but would you be really happy in that situation?A good theater requires lot more other things than new 3D objects just ask A.S…
IMHO A good theater requires lot more other things and new 3D objects.
And yes, even RL busy I do read those theater- and campaign- deving related posts,
even yours.No need to disturb A.S in his excellent work, at this moment.
If only I knew anything about modelling, I’d be there like a shot.
Keep the faith LS.
There r many tutorials and I’m sure Lazy can give u the guidelines to start.
Do u have the time? R u willing? this is the question.Exactly, this is the main question at all.
So Griffin, … How about your photoshop skills?
Well Lazy as I was a part of those guys that came and gone when I was in my early steps on 3ds max.
To tell u the truth I understand your frustration. On the other hand this project is vast.
One thing is well just 3-4 guys to create so many countries?
So u r done deal before u start.If everyone who joined us in the past 7 years would have done one simple model or two a month…
what other countries r in the theater Lazy?
Isn’t the Balkans a Europe theater? And hasn’t Nove done a lot with the buildings and 3D models? Couldn’t you guys ask to use his models as a starting point?
Nove is doing a really great job on Balkans.
We’ve got already permission to use his excellent work.If we can “light the fire”, i can support you with the creation of the NavAids and their list, but due to the fact that there are there a very big amount of airports i will need some support for sure.
Thank’s Nikos, I’ll tell you when we are in need of NavAids.
Lazystone,
First off, I love you man. I don’t know you, but I know you work hard on Falcon for us all, so I love you for that.Thank’s Mike, I love you too, haha.
@toonces:Second, …
You’re 100% right in what you’ve said, including the different priorities.
Our plan was not to create another PMC like Europe,
but to create something nice, … would need time and devs, modellers/skinner.What for?
According to that logic, we could simply use stock Korean as well. Balkan is not Central Europe, Aegan is not Central Europe.Tim, we can use Nove’s stuff for the Balkans part of the map.
@toonces So for you it’s enough to have a different map and different names in the UI and that makes a new theater for you?
Basicly he said, even using existing tiles, models, DB would be still lots of work but gets quicker result.
Such a ET would be good enough for him to have fun.… different priorities.
Well u could get the models and change the textures to central europe.
3D modelling houses, hangars, towers, etc. is not that time insive,
but texmapping and skinning is.Just a small note. Withot a reworked database the theater would be pointless because many AC and grounds units are simply not in DB and with available few battalions is impossible to build a usable OOB… Even you do not touch any modeling values which from my aspect is more than neccessary…
We would like to have more models before we start to touch any DB stuff,
but someday I may get back to you.All I’m saying is that before you guys shoot for a moon landing, why not send a little capsule into orbit…see how it all works. Then build from there.
That’s what we are doing, … just in a differently way.
We can already see in Balkans what “thinking outside the box” (tiling for example)
can make an improvement in BalkansAnyway, I give up. I’ve got nothing invested in this idea, and clearly I’m in the minority in how to proceed. I wish you all luck. And I mean that sincerely. Next to Vietnam, this is the theater I most wish were made for Falcon 4.
Lukas has a EU terrrain WIP and Molni has a 80’s cold war DB WIP, so…
would be nice to have a few 3D models for it, IMHO.Cheers,
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So guys from England Italy Spain Norway Denmark can Help also on this project…
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Thank’s Nikos, I’ll tell you when we are in need of NavAids.
Cheers,
LSYou can count on this my good friend.
When and if the time comes, give me a call, i will try to find a small team in order to have some help ;).
Take care.
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That’s an interesting statement from someone who’s sole working Korea 80’s campaign is a Fantasyland Eurowar campaign.
I do not understand this part. Even the map of Korea is different from Europe if you wish to model well a NATO vs WPact conflict the current DB is simply not suitable.
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I do not understand this part. Even the map of Korea is different from Europe if you wish to model well a NATO vs WPact conflict the current DB is simply not suitable.
+1
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Just for the record, how big would be this Eruope theater? Are we speaking about the same size as was the PMC Europe?
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Just for the record, how big would be this Eruope theater? Are we speaking about the same size as was the PMC Europe?
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I do not understand this part. Even the map of Korea is different from Europe if you wish to model well a NATO vs WPact conflict the current DB is simply not suitable.
Molni,
What I am saying is that you are able to be “unrealistic” when you want to, as demonstrated by your Eurowar campaign in your 80’s mod. I don’t mean to take anything away from your work on your 80’s mod because I think it’s fantastic. But clearly even you can suspend belief when required.You guys keep focusing on the shortcomings to making a Europe theater and I keep saying just do the best with what you have! I certainly appreciate attention to detail. On the other hand, a lot of the stuff you all get hung up on will be completely missed by the majority of your audience (in my opinion).
We’re playing a computer game. Fundamentally, everything in it is a compromise of realism. Stop dwelling on every tiny shortcoming and think bigger picture here.
Just my opinion, of course.
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What I am saying is that you are able to be “unrealistic” when you want to, as demonstrated by your Eurowar campaign in your 80’s mod.
Of course the battalion system forces you to make big compromises in battalion roster creation but you can make far better battalion rosters are in stock DB. They are more than weak…
The main point is create functional battalion with specific role and model the RL AD/combat unit ratio and capability to self defence capability against air and helos. The current DB is simply not doing this…
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central Europe theater would be great
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Pretty sure it won’t happen.
So far there has been “overwhelming interest” in helping us, which will be the reason we’ll close it down in ~2 weeks (unless something different happens in this time of course). -
“overwhelming interest”
If nobody have the neccesary skills… The only thing where I could help imporving the DB and nothing else. Only problem this is one of the last step to creating a good theater…
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how can i help for creating this theather. what is to do?
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how can i help for creating this theather. what is to do?
Contact (pm) “lazystone” ;).
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how can i help for creating this theather. what is to do?
Contact (pm) “lazystone” ;).
Nikos.Sadly just one good lad who is willing to help in 3D modelling simple things isn’t enough to keep this project alive.
Magic, please read post #82 of this thread.
Thank’s for your interrest anyway.Cheers,
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If nobody have the neccesary skills… The only thing where I could help imporving the DB and nothing else. Only problem this is one of the last step to creating a good theater…
I can’t believe there are no guys around who could model very simple things in 3DSMAX and create a texture for it with photoshop.
The real problem is that nobody is willing to spend their time on this longtime project.
However, we know we could count on you for DB work.
Cheers,
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In my archives, the first time we talked about europe was 2003 - 11 years ago
i made maps for the europe terrain back thenit’s been 11 years with no significant project and with the experience i have today i know that such a large theater will take at least 10 years to be up to par with Korea
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First of all what is need for Euroope theater? Because it has not been explained how advanced is the project?
Elavation map?
Is there functional road maps?
Is the position and types objectives are final?
So are you saying that Europe cannot be finished because it requires new building for build up new objectives? Because if you wish to create new airbases it means DB edit because objects are defined in DB as I know.
What about airbase radio comms? Are all airbases have updated radio with correct TACAN/ILS channels and names?
Or you need model for new vehicles? (IMHO tons of vehicles are missing from DB if you can build a more authentic campaign.)
etc.I have tried years ago XSI and 3D Max but I simply did not understand their logic. Even doing the most basic things were far too complicated to me…
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@Red:
In my archives, the first time we talked about europe was 2003 - 11 years ago
i made maps for the europe terrain back thenI know you did maps for PMC EU theater, but for known reasons we don’t talk about PMC here.
@Red:
it’s been 11 years with no significant project and with the experience i have today i know that such a large theater will take at least 10 years to be up to par with Korea
the lack of progress makes me think that it’s better to concentrate on viable projectsI also know such a theater takes time, that’s why I’m talking about a longtime project.
I’ve joined ETG in Aug.2007 and if there would have been 5-10 3D modellers who would have put some efforts into that project,
then we would already be halfway there I think.In all those years we have been in hope that things will change.
… you can read post #82 to see what really happend.Sadly actually RL things has changed for me personally, so I dunno atm. how much or on which projects I’ll work in future.
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?19905-I-died-%28twice%29-WTFCheers,
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I have worked on the older balkan theater back in the SP days with some tiling, but I unfortunately do not have any skills in the 3D modeling area.
Besides of creating technical stuff in some kind of CAD system.
I suck with all the graphical stuff.What about releasing a “pre-alpha” on the 128x128 base with those objectives that are there? So everyone could see for himself? I’d really like to see how this looks like with the balkan terrain tiles and the objectives that are there right now.
Any theater without a working campaign will still be a great place to fly TE’s. Getting a working campaign is a lot of work too.