Question on ILS landing with instruments
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you can apply the principles, sure, no arguments there - see recent flight using said principles.
I dont think anyone is actually arguing that point though. What I did want to query though, was whether flying from point to point, with none of the points involved having a radio beacon, was common IRL. The flight I did a few days ago ended up using Osan, Choongwon and Kangnungs tacan stations, and flying set headings to the specific points verified using the tacan. None of the individual legs were amazingly precise though, as after departing DRAGGIN and until KANGWON, none of the legs were along radials from any station. It just ended up being that after passing the radial of the turn point, Id start a turn to the preplanned heading and then set the HSI for the radial and channel of the next turn point. Is that something you are just expected to accept IRL?
Wikipedia reckons that navigating the way I did is closer to something called Area Navigation rather than normal use of tacan.
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…. None of the individual legs were amazingly precise though, as after departing DRAGGIN and until KANGWON, none of the legs were along radials from any station. …
In a very technical sense, there were in fact on a radial from some station or another.
In a practical sense, they could have been if you had chose to plan your flight that way. Something like:
OSAN Draggin One Departure,
Then R-285 on 005x to station,
Then R-060 to DME33,
Then R-225 on 056x to station,
Then R-040 and enter pattern at 12 DME (IAF).Simple ‘station-to-station’ is easier on the planning (and flying) though.
Real world? …. … I fly coach.
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None of the individual legs were amazingly precise though, as after departing DRAGGIN and until KANGWON, none of the legs were along radials from any station. It just ended up being that after passing the radial of the turn point, Id start a turn to the preplanned heading and then set the HSI for the radial and channel of the next turn point.
Hi there “Blu3wolf”.
Well you mean that your flight “legs” were not precisely on a Radial from a TACAN station while you were flying to the next one?
If this is the matter, take a look at this Enroute Low Altitude chart for Southern Aegean Sea of Aegean theater and give it a try:
You will be amazed about the precision of the charts ;).
You can have all the navigation stuff via the Hotfix at the end of the post #1 here: https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?8426-Aegean-Theatre-IAP-charts
Nikos.
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well, in a very technical sense, none of the legs I planned and flew were on radials from any station. I just drew a flight plan like a connect-the-dots using the IAFs which are placed on the map.
In a very practical sense, I guess it would be a lot easier to plan the flight like you described, only going from airport to airport.
EDIT: Yes, my legs were not on a radial from or to a TACAN station. I dont actually have the aegean theater installed, and Ive been flying stock korea at the moment. That chart looks rather handy to have for that theater though.
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well, in a very technical sense, none of the legs I planned and flew were on radials from any station. I just drew a flight plan like a connect-the-dots using the IAFs which are placed on the map.
Well in order to do this, means to connect the IAFs in order to fly direct from one to an other, 2 things must count:
- the chart be under scale
- to make a very good measure of the angle of the connection line of the IAFs as also of their distance.
The previous chart that i was shown to you is under scale, but i didn’t include the IAFs. It can be done there your action but for all the rest NavAids ;).
Nikos.
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well, in a very technical sense, none of the legs I planned and flew were on radials from any station. I just drew a flight plan like a connect-the-dots using the IAFs which are placed on the map. ….
I was being a bit factious …… any course you are on is on a radial from something; the moreso if there is a TACAN station (or stations) near by. It’s wasn’t meant to be a question of whether you planned or plotted it, but a statement of physical fact.
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No, this is incorrect. Any great circle course one is on is a radial of something, but as I am only concerned with radials of TACAN stations in Falcon, we need only concern ourselves with radials of TACAN stations.
And whilst any point on the course can be said to lie on a radial from any of the stations, none of the legs involved can be said to lie on any specific radial.
For posterity; The legs in question were Draggin to Munmuk, to Karbu, to Kangwon, to Namae. If you can find any of those legs follow a radial, Ill be very surprised.
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:rolleyes:
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I’d suggest the following video for learning a procedure approach properly.
Tim does (AFAIK) an excellent job.
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Wow. The thread grew a bit. since my last comment. Oh, VORS. hehe. all is well still in BMS.
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there are BMS enroute chart for korea as well…
http://www.candyparty.com/ST/BMS_KOREA_interactive/index2.htmlà
and soon to be released EMF - still wip but greece is done
http://users.skynet.be/bs999158/MAPEMF/index2.htmlAlso: any stpt (ins, ppt, line, bullseye) can behave like a tacan as well. Just put the hsi mode to nav and fly along radials from the steerpoint of interest.
they don’t radiate, but navigation principles are the sameAs for not collocated tacan, check carefully the maps above
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That’s a beautiful improvement on the old one I was using: http://www.combatsimchecklist.net/MAPKOREA/
Do the TACAN without airbase really exist in BMS?
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That’s a beautiful improvement on the old one I was using: http://www.combatsimchecklist.net/MAPKOREA/
Do the TACAN without airbase really exist in BMS?
Not in 4.32
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that’s the 3-4 weeks next version map
and once released, all that’s on the map will exist -
@Red:
that’s the 3-4 weeks next version map
and once released, all that’s on the map will existSo, for now, not a good idea to use for planning then?
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that’s why the old one is still online
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@Red:
there are BMS enroute chart for korea as well…
http://www.candyparty.com/ST/BMS_KOREA_interactive/index2.htmlàNice work Red Dog. Quick remark though. When I click a standalone VORTAC I get this “IATA: ABC” in the datablock. IATA only issues 3-letter IDs to airlines and airports [EDIT: I got carried away as well -> 2 letter for airlines]. The 3-letter IDs for navaids have nothing to do with IATA
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very true, i Wonder where i get that - i must have been buying airline tickets when i did that
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Do the TACAN without airbase really exist in BMS?
Not in 4.32
Wrong, yes we can have non collocated to airports TACAN stations inside Falcon BMS 4.32.
Just wait a little to see them inside the new Aegean theater ;).
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Wrong, yes we can have non collocated to airports TACAN stations inside Falcon BMS 4.32.
Just wait a little to see them inside the new Aegean theater ;).
Nikos.I actually never played Aegean, but good to know !