WIP - East Mediterranean Front theater (EMF) theater
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Ok to clear things up,
emf changes the sim folder and tacref data. The second is not MP critical so I won’t elaborate on it.
As far as sim folder is concerned, the general idea is not to mess with default Korea theaters that comes with BMS at all. That means that all the additional information that were added in the sim folder, were added at the end of the default BMS ones.
To get a little more technical, sim folder (for all types of data) works with pointers to files. The default BMS pointers were preserved and we added the emf pointers to the end of them. So, when you’re flying Korea and you request a file via a pointer, this file will be the same regardless whether you have emf installed or not.
That is the theory and so far, online tests in Korea theater (with and without emf) support it.
The reason we recommend a vanilla setup is, since we are changing the sim folder, using any other mod/theater which changes the sim folder as well will lead to trouble. Installing theaters that are using the default BMS sim folder is ok, and in theory you will not have any problems, even in MP (just like default Korea theaters).
I was thinking exactly same way for my theater. Hope BMS team will preserve vanilla files only, so your approach will be supported in the future (there should be about 10 unprotected entries for developers already prepared imo )…
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C9 is not bitching IMO just says what is.
On the other hand since the team has a rule we have to respect it whether we like it or not, and I believe we can say if we like it or not. The Godsend EMF is for granted and cause of its high value we have such dialogs. There are no words to express our gratitude to EMF team, but some face some trouble, shouldn’t we try to resolve it?Now as Monster explained we have a non-issue issue.
The initial report to have a different only EMF install was kinda misleading IMO. U need a only BMS-EMF install only if u r about to change to a theater that also alters sim folder files.Those are? REDFLAG IIRC? Anyone else?
So big fus for nothing? And I say that cause the FO team has ppl that in a snap can provide a quick solution.
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Hmm yeah another many many years under development theater.
Those ppl will have to have 2 or 3 setups of BMS. -
Those ppl will have to have 2 or 3 setups of BMS.
Ahhhhhh…
The “Well-oiled Machine” which is the 3rd Party Theatre World.
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C9 is not bitching IMO just says what is.
On the other hand since the team has a rule we have to respect it whether we like it or not, and I believe we can say if we like it or not. The Godsend EMF is for granted and cause of its high value we have such dialogs. There are no words to express our gratitude to EMF team, but some face some trouble, shouldn’t we try to resolve it?Now as Monster explained we have a non-issue issue.
The initial report to have a different only EMF install was kinda misleading IMO. U need a only BMS-EMF install only if u r about to change to a theater that also alters sim folder files.Those are? REDFLAG IIRC? Anyone else?
So big fus for nothing? And I say that cause the FO team has ppl that in a snap can provide a quick solution.
Arty Just for the record None of the FO theaters Touch or change the Stock files at all. We had 1 theater that did in the past but that was removed and since then we have released 2 versions of that theater.
For exp. last Force on Force event which was Red Flag we had Zero Crashes in the Server while 40+ people Flow that ON and Off for 22 days.
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to each their own side
And we clearly have two sides hereThe wild modders who install whatever is available and the wiser modder who think carefully about what he installs
Choose your side, both are great
but whatever side you choose, you respect the devs by abiding to their rule and their philosophy.
and you certainly don’t go questionning their rules on the BMS forumThe reason we recommend a vanilla setup is, since we are changing the sim folder, using any other mod/theater which changes the sim folder as well will lead to trouble. Installing theaters that are using the default BMS sim folder is ok, and in theory you will not have any problems, even in MP (just like default Korea theaters).
So lets get this straight. The EMF team alters the stock BMS install at it’s whim, but also alters it to the extent that it invalidates any other Add-On Theaters that alter the sim folder,
then…
I believe this is ok with the EMF team as I’m not changing their files just changing their location to ease users. Or do I need permission for this also?
No permission to proceed. Read the disclaimer again.
Prohibits any modification to it’s theater
install….Do I read that right??
Sounds like what went down right after BMS was released, in regards to theaters…Remember?
C9
That to me is clearly questionning, discussing the said rules.
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Well for u yes. so the problem is?
Ain’t a forum a place to question things? We don’t question Bms but an aspect of a wonderful theater. No need to enlarge it more than it is. Just an issue nothing more nothing less. If it wasn’t an issue then it wouldn’t be mentioned by the EMF team in the first place.
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Don’t try playing smartass with me Arty, you perfectly now what I am doing.
let me remind you that you do not question moderator either
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I’m not playing. This is your perception. Sorry if u see it like that no intention for something bad from my side. In case I’m wrong please enlighten me and I will apologize right away.
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You are discussing a non issue because you’re pissed of a denied permission
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Not pissed at all. Happy cause when I was writing my offer to create the f4patch I was cursing my self as I would have to stay really late to accomplish the task, and I badly need the rest.
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Get some rest then
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Looks like a good movie……
Thanks EMF, it was a long haul and I’m impressed by the result. And look forward to exploring & enjoying the map further.
And as already mentioned this Sim folder thing is a NON ISSUE, I don’t see any reason for any concerns for multiplayer as the sim folder includes 55 additional AC entries, 39 AFMs added and 15 OFM.
I see no changes to any stock flight models or files.
Very nicely done.
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I am amazed. Just beautiful. Install went well. I read all posts prior to installing and even renamed some folders. Soon discovered was a waste of time. No need to renaming and no issues. I think that those other posts were based on others objectives to enhance their theatres. But their theatres would in turn affect EMF, reverse of what was said, EMF affecting BMS stock. I having my doubts now and respected those in the past , but those respected I am now having second thoughts. I am an outsider looking in, but too much confusion has caused hesitation on my part and I am sure others. But was that intentional propaganda. We want the facts, and or or those other negative comments relinquished from other posts so that we may continue to grow. EMF was released a week ago, and me being a novice compared to most, had no problems, but even noticed a slight boost in FPS (still eats up processing - the lower half of the original 2d and both 3d pit , where crs and heading gauges are). You are making me nauseated, I enjoyed EMF and all the other theatres out there. (((((((EMF is currently the most enhanced because its concept was developed from other historical theatres/Korea-ITO….and history has its flaws. So the developers learned from history and made EMF a little better.)))) My father a Nam vet (now passed away) said, its better to envy than to be jealous. Both emotions are a human factor that enhances growth, however, jealousy more so stifles growth, if let to stand will certainly ruin creation. Therefore, its better to envy (yes yours is better, I envy you, but I truly want you to succeed) (jealousy - hidden deep in the conscious in man, no admittance, cowardly in their actions do things behind the others back, hatred for the others success and wish failure, trys to get others to aid in their efforts to ruin, or mislead others purposely, )))). Which one of those emotions are driving these negative posts.
Those post made me hesitate to download EMF. I was excited and than more cautious than when I installed the Korea Theatres and others. But others made me hesitate. Were these statements about EMF fact, if not fact , and statements like that should be fact. Facts are with out a doubt proven over over over again . Like 1 + 1 = 2. It seems those posts were not fact, and those who made them should be held accountable or apologize. Boy and I liked some of those posters and respected them. Gain my respect again by apologizing. This is bothersome and crap. You Made ME. Hesitate without facts. Not good. -
Can I have that minute of my life back?
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Hi guys and happy new year!
I can’t install harpoon’s pilot mod in EMF properly.
The pilot body is there, but the engine and flight instruments are black.
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hmmm well those were not trouble issues. Mostly u caused the troublesome to your self. U download u install and judge from your self.
EMF is developed from one of the finest teams in the community. They are cautious thus and the long time to release and what was talked about where one aspect (minor) in the end which from one 2 posters every one thought it’s a big deal. Typical behavior one says something and all of the sadden it’s a big deal. :lol:
Have in mind all the thousands of ppl that downloaded and said nothing… Forums in many case act as a point where u state something that troubles u when the majority , non troubled, is never heard of , so not what u read here means that covers the whole story… create an opinion of your own.
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Hi guys and happy new year!
I can’t install harpoon’s pilot mod in EMF properly.
The pilot body is there, but the engine and flight instruments are black.
Any idea to solve the problem?Do not install mods on other mods. This is a very bad practice … not always compatible.
I suggest a full reinstall from scratch.