Refueling tips anyone?
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Get a good stick, learn to use it, keep calm, practice, and bingo you’ll get there……I actually think its better to just practice and get there yourself because it will become second nature that way once mastered.
Also you should create a shit load of TE scenarios and master them before starting campaign too, it will reduce your campaign heartbreak…and there great fun.
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I bought me a cougar for 80€, and did my first refuel for over a year, being used to the force sensing x65, it was not an easy task, the tanker started to turn before I connected and I started to go jojo, I pushed my trim forward so I had to have a small pull on my stick to go level, I thought that was better and I had better feel in pitch.
But I will definitely get a force sensing mod for the cougar, it’s night and day in difference when it comes to smaller inputs. -
I bought me a cougar for 80€, and did my first refuel for over a year, being used to the force sensing x65, it was not an easy task, the tanker started to turn before I connected and I started to go jojo, I pushed my trim forward so I had to have a small pull on my stick to go level, I thought that was better and I had better feel in pitch.
But I will definitely get a force sensing mod for the cougar, it’s night and day in difference when it comes to smaller inputs.Don’t forget to kill the HUD too, as suggested earlier. FSSB in the Cougar and no HUD makes refueling as routine as filling the car now!
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I must admit that I NEVER look at the HUD during refueling. I am padlocked to the tanker…
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<slightly offtopic=“”>has any keyboard user managed to do a proper refueling?</slightly>
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How does that work when the jet is heavy instead of light?
i’ve both managed to refuel successfully in a fully loaded jet and one that is basically naked, doesn’t make much of a difference really (at least nothing that I noted being due to the different loadouts).
Cheers, Uwe
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i’ve both managed to refuel successfully in a fully loaded jet and one that is basically naked, doesn’t make much of a difference really (at least nothing that I noted being due to the different loadouts).
Cheers, Uwe
Actually not correct. AAR with a heavy load out requires higher throttle inputs to get the same kinds of movements compared to a clean configuration. I find it much easier to AAR with a loaded bird for this reason. Probably that and due to the fact that atleast 90% of the time I AAR it is with a loaded aircraft so it’s just what I’m more used to. It is more of a challenge to not over control the aircraft in a clean configuration.
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Hm, I can only speak for myself here, and I haven’t found much of a difference as I’ve said. YMMV of course.
Cheers, Uwe
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Braking a fully loaded jet is much easier. The clean viper will accelerate very fast which makes it easier to overshoot.
However, as soon you carry that external airbrake called “ECM” it won’t make that much of a difference- that one will help you to slow down…
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Yes, this has been mentioned in countless threads, as something you should not do! At least this particular setting is not a broken one…
Well it worked for me. It especially helped with learning how to throttle properly while on the simplified setting. Helped a little with pitch, too. Didn’t help very much with roll though.
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I’m sure you’ll find some gems and anecdotes in here:
http://www.afhso.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-100929-015.pdf
Thanks to tbuc for originally pointing out the link.
Uwe
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Finally after many years dating back to original F4 & Allied Force I have managed to re-fuel on realistic settings never managed it even on simplified before. Thank you for all the tips & advise posted the satisfaction is amazing. All the practice has given me much better control of the sim in general hopefully no more shot down tankers !!
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Finally after many years dating back to original F4 & Allied Force I have managed to re-fuel on realistic settings never managed it even on simplified before. Thank you for all the tips & advise posted the satisfaction is amazing. All the practice has given me much better control of the sim in general hopefully no more shot down tankers !!
Dont forget: Master Arm…SAFE!!! :D:shock:
Why do you think Master Arm is in the checklist ?
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Why do you think Master Arm is in the checklist ?
After years of failure the temptation was sometimes too much
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I feel your pain and in the same boat. I have never successfully docked with the boom. I still keep trying but i think my prob is over correction as tiny inputs translate to big movement up close. Will try without hud tho thanks for the tip.
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Wow! After following the tips in this post and watching the video, I was finally able to connect with the ever elusive boom! I also did it twice within five minutes of my first connection! Turning off the hud really helped as I was always chasing the velocity tape trying to match it with the tanker’s speed, but with the hud off it was much easier and not as distracting with all the hud info taking away from my concentration.
I don’t imagine that real F16 drivers turn off the hud to refuel!?
Thanks!
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Wow! After following the tips in this post and watching the video, I was finally able to connect with the ever elusive boom! I also did it twice within five minutes of my first connection! Turning off the hud really helped as I was always chasing the velocity tape trying to match it with the tanker’s speed, but with the hud off it was much easier and not as distracting with all the hud info taking away from my concentration.
I don’t imagine that real F16 drivers turn off the hud to refuel!?
Thanks!
I imagine real viper drivers also dont get padlocked on the green stuff.
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For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction - and sometimes a scar. Remember that the real F-16 stick doesn’t move anywhere near as far as most commercially available joysticks. Learn to control your speed first as it is essential. I run a CH Fighterstick only and use the z wheel on it for the throttle and the trim button controls my view. Its not great for realism but I get it to work. I still fight overtake issues, my realism settings are always at 100 since I’ve had issues early on with less realism - bad flights and weird glitches. So throttle work is imperitive to learn. Try a few dogfight gun excercises to get your closure picture down pat - its not too hard to sneak in behind an older gen. MiG and sit in the perch and keep yourself there. It applies to other aircraft too. Maybe set up a TE where you only fly a two ship and join in as the second with slow easy turns and speeds and altitude. It applies the same to the tanker as it does to the little fighters, neither sticks to a “true” speed limit, they vary a little bit but that should teach you throttle manipulation/input. That’s half the battle, then watch your height and position as given by the tankers underside directional lights.
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A video is worth many words…:
We ran across the same questions with new pilots in our squad recently, so I recorded a small video about that with the stick inputs recorded.
I have a rather old X52 pro which is a little bit sticky around the center sometimes, but one should get the general idea.
Feedback is welcome.
Approach does wobble a little bit (usually, I get more stable approaches) but I was too lazy to record it a second timeI have the HUD switched on, but don’t look at it at all. Bringing up the fuel state in your DED is a good idea though.
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Not a bad idea….
A few things though :
- use AA tacan and not radar to get distance to tanker. IRL, you would give cancer to the boom operator if you kept your radar on, and it has no gimbals whatsoever too
- your move from pre-contact to contact was not as smooth as it it could be