Any way to simulate different radars, scan rates, phased array types, etc?
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Flying the F22 in Falcon 4 using the F16 radar is a bit of a bummer, but it’s still the best way to fly the F22 available right now. Is there anything that can be done? Even increasing scan speed to better represent the phased array radar would be an improvement.
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While the whole Sim is is based on The F-16, its flight characteristics, avionics etc. The Radar in the F-22 has considerable advantages over the abilities of the F-16 implementation.
Just as the F-15 radar has.
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I’m not certain we’re understanding each other.
There’s a mod allowing the player to fly the F22 in Falcon 4 BMS. You get an F22 cockpit, the advantages of the F22 flight model, and I think stealth, but I’m pretty sure playing the F22 this way in Falcon 4 has the player using F16 radar. I’m asking if there’s any way to alter radar characteristics for an individual aircraft, like the F22.
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Some aspects yeah. I swear if I fly F-4 or MiG-21 or something the radar is a lot less capable in terms of some RCS at a certain range. The mechanics are the same but I think the values can be different for different aircraft.
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Radar performance is altered, yes. Fairly significantly.
Radar characteristics, some of them, yes.
Radar avionics - not in the slightest.
Its all there in the manual.
To phrase it another way, yes we understand the question, no you have not understood the answer.
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I’m not certain we’re understanding each other.
There’s a mod allowing the player to fly the F22 in Falcon 4 BMS. You get an F22 cockpit, the advantages of the F22 flight model, and I think stealth, but I’m pretty sure playing the F22 this way in Falcon 4 has the player using F16 radar. I’m asking if there’s any way to alter radar characteristics for an individual aircraft, like the F22.
Oh I do understand, the gentleman who is doing the F-22 , Metelhead,is a member of our squad.
All Radars in Falcon are based on the F-16 with variations to a half dozen parameters for other ACs. While you mention Scan time, and it might be a valid point, there is no way of knowing how to model these advanced radars,
So wait 3-4 weeks and see what comes of it.
PS: And what Blue said !
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Ok, thank you for the responses.
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Good luck trying to simulate the APG-77. Even if you had an engine that could handle its abilities, you would have access to them. Remember the F-22 has 2 cray computers and room for a third, to absorb all data and process the best way to penetrate an area and defeat threats while remaining as silent as possible.
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Good luck trying to simulate the APG-77. Even if you had an engine that could handle its abilities, you would have access to them. Remember the F-22 has 2 cray computers and room for a third, to absorb all data and process the best way to penetrate an area and defeat threats while remaining as silent as possible.
But a simulation wouldn’t have to process all that data, it’s just a simulation.
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Good luck trying to simulate the APG-77. Even if you had an engine that could handle its abilities, you would have access to them. Remember the F-22 has 2 cray computers and room for a third, to absorb all data and process the best way to penetrate an area and defeat threats while remaining as silent as possible.
What we would need to know to simulate it is ho it is exactly for the end-user - the pilot and the AC receiving radar emissions.
IE : scan speed, aperture, beam width, probabilities of appearing on an enemy’s RWR, what kind of jamming it can penetrate, how many tracks it can maintain, how many submodes you can run at the same time and how sharing different submodes at once affects performances of each. This, we will - IMO - never know. Just like we know almost nothing on the AWG-9.
Obviously, IRL, to make all of it works, you need processing power to process raw physical signal… in a sim, you have shortcuts
EDIT : oh, and by the way, the F-22 computers were impressive at the time, but a Core i7 can do pretty much the same nowadays in terms of raw operations per seconds
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But a simulation wouldn’t have to process all that data, it’s just a simulation.
But such a Simulation without all the needed data is no Simulation, it is just a copy of a well printed selling booklet… nothing to do with the real thingks but looking great… like BF3… great F/A-18 Simulation
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I remember when more than 2 MFD’s in the 'PIT was blasphemy in Falcon……LOL!!!
Let’s keep at it, and see what we can do.
But we have to remember that BMS is an F16 Study Sim first and lastly……sigh.
Though I have noticed some undercurrents as of late, that seems to be moving in a + direction for the “Joe Player” communityregards,
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Well to answer the OP in a General way you can simulate about anything the problem is you need the Data involved in the operation of said device or a working knowledge to simulate any device…
They simulated the Fly by wire in the F/A-18 I think it was VRS Simulation for the FSX… It is possible you jusnt need real world data or some data of how the thing you are trying to simulate works…
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I remember when more than 2 MFD’s in the 'PIT was blasphemy in Falcon……LOL!!!
Let’s keep at it, and see what we can do.
But we have to remember that BMS is an F16 Study Sim first and lastly……sigh.
Though I have noticed some undercurrents as of late, that seems to be moving in a + direction for the “Joe Player” communityregards,
demerMany Joe Players after 10-17 years of flying F-16s are a tad tired of that jet. Nevertheless even in FF, it was my favourite back then. And I still suck at all things combat related…mainly because I still don’t care to learn being a perfect sim killa. Instead love all FM and flight physics related topics.
Still, seriously, even a pilot would be a tad bored after so many FHs on the same plane. Look forward to the Viggen e.g.
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I fly BMS during coffe brake at work. Just keyboard controled TEs 5 - 10 min long. Since I made the possibility to guide multiple SARHs in my install, I fly MiG-31 mostly in last few months (sometimes Flanker and Eagle too). I like to fly MACH 2,4 over Europe, attacking F-15 or F-18 flights.
MiG31 should be strong in look-down, but I have to descent slightly to guide my missile “wolf-pack” into its target (usually formation of 4x AA-9)…if I do it right 2-4 missiles are able to hit their targets…if not, or the lock is interrupted (SARHS) - all miss
Its good to fire under 35nm, I have highest PK around 20nm.I know MiG-31 PESA radar is quite unique involving whole fuselage in its info-gathering process. Its long range radar - few hunderds kilometers forward, but also about 80 km backward(!), has the ability to share contacts (even missile guidance) with other flight members, even the ground radar/EWR network.
But I have to respect gimbal limit a lot during my engagements.
I would like to enhance MIG-31 radar data to reflect real PESA performance, especialy FOV (with respect to current BMS code).
What is your recomendation?There are MiG-31 radar data:
F-16 block 52 data:
few pics from action:
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BTW There is small avionic issue:
Lets say I have 2 misille types loaded - 4 x AA-9 and 2 x AA-6 (IR).
I must fire my RL AA-9 missiles in TWS mode to guide them onto multiple targets properly.
If I fire my last (fourth) AA-9, my radar switch to RWS automaticaly. Howto avoid this switching?I have a suspiction, this TWS to RWS switch ruin my guidance. I am not sure it ruin all my missiles.
Problem was not so markant with Flanker. Flanker can carry 6x R-27. If I fire 4 missiles, I am still in TWS (2 left). I had even 100% PK quite often (50-75% usually under good condition). It depends on many factors…If I fly MiG-31, it is better to fire 3 missiles in first salvo I guess (note 2,32 MACH and ramaining AA-9):
tracking - the moments prior the impact:
Its easy to underfly “lofted” enemy Amraams (especialy if labels on lol)…BTW this screenshot is from previous engagement (no AA9 under fusselage left):
3 Ace Eagle drivers ejecting!
starting 5G turn to catch last Murican!
AA-6 IR and last AA-9 combo is deadly…no chute
leaving the battle:
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Is R-33 modeld as ARH in stock BMS4?
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no, it is SARH….and it is still SARH in my mod - i must support them all until impact (they can be also avoided using chaff)
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How can you guide SARH in TWS mode…??? It does not work with other AC. Does MiG-31 has a special code for this?
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BTW According inet sources, there is also upgraded ARH R-33E version of this missile in realworld. Would be nice to hava second MIG-31BM entry carryng ARH version (like Phoenix) and ARMs or antiship missiles. The only issue would be 100% chaff resistance in terminal phase for this new missile
But MiG-31 BM would be good Patriot killer in BMS…Old MiG31 ver. should be able to support 4 missiles during intercept…while new BM version should be able to guide up to 6 missiles. But I have never seen AA-9 under the wing loaded.