New to bms how to ramp start
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hello aqll, played af some and being new to bms tried to ramp start and nothing there to teach me
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nothing there to teach you?
dash 1 - your doc folder, ramps in 3 sweeps
look around, use the search button, there are dozen of video tutorials to teach you.……
please look around before saying there is nothing to teach you. -
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And here’s a few hours worth of teaching material: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3E09AA94FF0EACEC
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Specifically to your question, a google search of “falcon bms ramp start” comes up with more than one tutorial.
Here’s a 3-part series I did before I left the 72nd VFW.
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Wizard’s Ramp Start Video is very good and thorough
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Get on the stick.
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For a newbie the dash or manual is not working.
IIRC doesn’t have the areas and buttons, also not detailed on waiting and etc, thus impossible to perform a ramp start just by the book. -
For a newbie the dash or manual is not working.
IIRC doesn’t have the areas and buttons, also not detailed on waiting and etc, thus impossible to perform a ramp start just by the book.Funny, it worked fine for me.
C:\Falcon BMS 4.32\Docs\Checklists & Cockpit Diagrams\F-16 Checklists
Main Checklists in that folder seem to cover the base instructions quite well.
Dash one (pick any of them) details the buttons to go with the checklists adequately.
An aversion to reading is not a trait that will serve the newcomer to the sim particularly well, IMO.
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Watch Wizards ramp start tutorials. The best available. I use them to teach my pilots and they all report them to be very useful.
Greetings
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@NIL:
Watch Wizards ramp start tutorials. The best available. I use them to teach my pilots and they all report them to be very useful.
Greetings
Thanks man, I really appreciate the kind words.
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For a newbie the dash or manual is not working.
IIRC doesn’t have the areas and buttons, also not detailed on waiting and etc, thus impossible to perform a ramp start just by the book.I’m sure you didn’t even read it Arty.
Because what you state is fully wrong.
1. all button functions are explained - the inactive functions are illustrated and the eye candy stuff is even pointed out
2. there is a specific chapter explaining how to ramp start in three sweeps. If you read it and do the ramp start alongside it will work perfectly and explain why and how to do it.
3. As stated, after having been tutored, used the checklists provided as well
4. at school they still use books and no vids. In flight training as well
5. Still there are plethora of videos availableDash one chapter about ramp start is specifically done for newbees
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Yes Red Dog Sorry for the misunderstanding your dash document is just fine. The bms manual or other manuals or the actual (real) dash don’t explain the sequence in the way they want.
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Yes Red Dog Sorry for the misunderstanding your dash document is just fine. The bms manual or other manuals or the actual (real) dash don’t explain the sequence in the way they want.
Where do you get that idea…?
The -1CL-2 is what the main checklist included with the install is based off of, and details exactly how to conduct the ramp start sequence. Is that not counted as an actual, real, dash?
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give that to a newb that his first contact with flight sims is BMS and time him when he will be able to ramp start the airplane.
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So now the complaint is that the real dash does not explain things to the perspective of an FNG with no prior aviation related experience?
You know there is a reason no air force uses the F-16 as a trainer, right?
Whatever. Yes, to answer your implicit question - reading manuals is not the fastest way to get someone to be able to get the engine moving.
Usually for me, the focus is not primarily on the fastest way to teach. Its probably just a personal quirk of mine, but I tend to prefer teaching methods that focus on getting it done correctly, rather than making mistakes in haste. Learning quickly is all well and good - but unlearning incorrect techniques so you can relearn how to do things properly takes longer again.
Still, I guess we have different ideas of what constitutes teaching. You (apparently) want students that can takeoff and be target practice, I want students that can fly properly and operate and employ their aircraft with skill and precision. Different goals = different teaching methods.
For the goals Im after, real technical orders are very useful. For faster teaching, a 5 minute powerpoint is probably better. Its certainly quicker.
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Chaps - take a chill pill ……
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Yes Red Dog Sorry for the misunderstanding your dash document is just fine. The bms manual or other manuals or the actual (real) dash don’t explain the sequence in the way they want.
Fine Arty.
But then i Wonder why the complaint indeed?if the BMS dash one explains it
why would the BMS manual need to? (wasted time and ressource and possible confusion because of version and different ppl writing manuals)
why would a newbee refer to the real dash 1 which he might not have handy
why would a newbee refer to a real tech order or the 1-1 which is clearly NOT done for newbees and might not be handy either
the facts are explained, specificaly to BMS, specifically for the newbees.
The only thing the newbee might need if he has an aversion with writing documents is a few videos that are indeed availabale as wellQuestion answered, training materials provided - end of discussion
no need to make it more complicated than what it really is - THAT is confusing new people -
You know there is a reason no air force uses the F-16 as a trainer, right?.
Whatever the training a/c, it is the same story. At least in French air force. One throw the books and the checklist into you face by telling you: you have 5 day to know it by heart.
5 days later , you are in the cockpit with a bag in on the head, and you have to touch with your finger any switch,instruments, breaker or command the instructor is telling you to find.
According to my personal experience, Red Dog documents are just fine and even better/easier than what I know IRL.
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we r chill.
Red Dog’s document explains it like served in the dish for newbs.
well bms manual is the first thing to open and read and search for bms matters. So…
A newb would refer to a real dash as they are easily accessible and the word is that BMS is as real as it gets. So…Too much fuss for nothing. The point was that manuals (real or not) are complicated to get someone airborn. Actually u must learn the whole cockpit inside out and then be able to ramp start. This would be a pita. You want to fly and u can’t even start the engine.
Now using Red dogs ramp start section he learns cockpit parts as he starts the thing…
this gives a quick “wweeeeaaaaa I did it!!!” to the newb and motivation to go deeper… and “oh this is how it works”…
example even for old timers the way u feel when u accomplish your first AAR.