Sukhoi Su-27/Su-33/Su-35/Su-30 Shenyang J-11/J-15
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AI do not use AFM
BTw , i have been informed that SU33 can not perform controled flat spin, is that true ?
has someone a real video of SU33 performing that manoeuver ?
Nope… it is NOT true. Bird’s perfectly able to do it. Seen on ytube , look for some shows… looks way better then F22 Raptor.
I mean, even take a logic turn here, with bigger wings and more control surfaces , it would be weird that she can’t… -
Rare & interesting!
https://www.facebook.com/WorldAviationHistory/videos/1801785930126150/
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Buddy-buddy air refuel could be nice but considering that the amount of transferable fuel isn’t implemented it wouldn’t be really realistic to refuel a 4 ship flight with a single small improvised tanker.
First thing I noticed in the above U-tube clip was the buddy refuel pod. And who said any thing about a 4 ship Dee-Jay
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Couldn’t’ resist posting these!!
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Nope… it is NOT true. Bird’s perfectly able to do it. Seen on ytube , look for some shows… looks way better then F22 Raptor.
I mean, even take a logic turn here, with bigger wings and more control surfaces , it would be weird that she can’t…Sorry but I have not found it
Please post it , be careful we want a su33 here not another SU…
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Sorry but I have not found it
Please post it , be careful we want a su33 here not another SU…
20min search… su-30 and -35 … doh, i’m afraid NO -33, but if they can do it why 33 couldn’t ? If not satisfied I’ll search some more
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If not satisfied I’ll search some more
Better just start searching now!!! :lol::lol::lol:
C9
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Here then
I think DCS guys are laughing at us on BMS’ dick on dick action …
Pronto DROGUES !!!
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20min search… su-30 and -35 … doh, i’m afraid NO -33, but if they can do it why 33 couldn’t ? If not satisfied I’ll search some more
That’s the whole point of my question !!!
Different aircraft wings , inertia , possibly different flcs etc….
So I’m not 100% sure e is qualified to do it
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Dude, all the stuff, it can’t be THAT much different ,… it is the same model -27 onwards , just tweaked to hell .+vectoring.
BUT! , you’ve still the point here. Seeing, believing. I respect that, soon as I come up with hard evidence , I’ll bring ya.
Cheers
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Dude, all the stuff, it can’t be THAT much different ,… it is the same model -27 onwards , just tweaked to hell .+vectoring.
BUT! , you’ve still the point here. Seeing, believing. I respect that, soon as I come up with hard evidence , I’ll bring ya.
Cheers
The vectoring can be critical to provide necessary yaw control
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Dude, all the stuff, it can’t be THAT much different ,… it is the same model -27 onwards , just tweaked to hell .+vectoring.
BUT! , you’ve still the point here. Seeing, believing. I respect that, soon as I come up with hard evidence , I’ll bring ya.
Cheers
The vectoring can be critical to provide necessary yaw control
I don’t think su27 can make it , and in that case su33 won’t make it either
Have you a su27 video of a s contrôled flat spin?
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Dude, all the stuff, it can’t be THAT much different ,… it is the same model -27 onwards , just tweaked to hell .+vectoring.
BUT! , you’ve still the point here. Seeing, believing. I respect that, soon as I come up with hard evidence , I’ll bring ya.
Cheers
If you have a good look at the History/development of the SU-27-30-33-35 family you will see there are crucial differences in the development in the air-frame over the years.
Its easy to recognize the heritage of its shape but todays SU-30s are a very different bird too those first frames that were flown 40 years ago.
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True, I’ve never seen Su-27 in controlled flat spin, or -33 as a matter of fact , but that maneuver came much later with vector aerodynamics.
So I can only guess it could be possible. I can’t say that it is true.Su-33 has much ,much better agility over -27 , eg. vertical brake without vectoring , canards only. In that time it was the only plane , also Pugachev. Far superior then any other, well…, F22 came as the only counterpart, with vectoring.
I want to say that we can’t find evidence from that era because, that it probably doesn’t exist., nobody was doing that in that time, only later with newer birds… We should try direct approach to some (ex)Flot pilot maybe…
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Maybe you don’t need vector thrust for flat spin, just use controlled thrust/afterburner on left/right engine in combination with canards… and try@Shadow, Yes, I was thinking more in differences between 27 - 33 (small, but again, huge:) in performance ) . Just outlines of a model remained today… what can you say… pretty good design, I guess.
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Here then
I think DCS guys are laughing at us on BMS’ dick on dick action …
Pronto DROGUES !!!
Weak fuel system modeling. With less the 0G the engine feed tank has very limited qty. to run the engines.
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I’d love to see a sim that accurately incorporates the Su-37’s airframe, thrust and vectoring…. be amazing
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I’d love to see a sim that accurately incorporates the Su-37’s airframe, thrust and vectoring…. be amazing
Just wait a little bit!
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Weak fuel system modeling. With less the 0G the engine feed tank has very limited qty. to run the engines.
this was filmed when that plane didnt have pfm. if u try that now the engines will die
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Does anyone know where i could get the Su -27 cockpit that came out while back. THx
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Does anyone know where i could get the Su -27 cockpit that came out while back. THx
This Sukhoi Su-27 cockpit was a package made using FSX payware contents.
Any link to that package must be deleted from this forum.
A brand new cockpit will be done anyway for Sukhoi, included in stock BMS database.
Kind regards,
Radium