Sukhoi Su-27/Su-33/Su-35/Su-30 Shenyang J-11/J-15
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@white_fang How exactly would you fit a JDAM kit to a totally different bomb then it was designed for, and expect it to fly with any precision? Seems pretty ridiculous to me. They have no doubt designed a pylon adapter and are using the kits with Mk-8x bombs. Just like they did with the HARM.
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@SOBO-87 that’s the beauty of those systems…they’re extensible to any explosive they can attach to, caveats being:
- Whether the bomb can reasonably be affixed with the JDAM kit
- Whether the bomb has a CoG that agrees with the kit
- Whether the aerodynamic properties of the bomb agree with the control surfaces of the kit
I hate to say “its not rocket science”, but, it’s bomb science
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Hello everyone,
Thank you very much for your comments and help, here is my decision :
I like to go as deep as possible to understand a situation. Here, JDAM-ER kits were officially delivered to Ukraine by USA.
JDAM-ER is a very complex ammunition that incorporates a gliding capability therefore, an extensive aerodynamic work must be done before adjusting this kind of kit to a new bomb.
Except if I have some proofs about it, I don’t think realistic to imagine a FAB500 for exemple, because the fins are incorporated in the whole ammunition while MK8x series all have a bomb/fin/ fuse separation which does not exist on FAB500, and it’s the same on FAB250.
Because we are here talking about emergency solutions I believe that USA went to the most simple solution : Mk-83/JDAM-ER that was already validated within USAF (even not widespread), but also RAAF (also not widespread).
So , considering these points :
- MK83/JDAM-ER will be deployed on my Ukraine SU-27
- BRU-33 will be used with an adapter to fit to Su-27 casual wing pylon, like US did it to fit AN/ASQ-28 on some export Su-30
once I finish Ukraine package (probably Friday night) I will move to PLAAF J-11 and I will do LODs.
Late blue/grey/green livery for Russia VVS is for now now considered anymore because it doesn’t seems so widespread : I haven’t found two pictures with the bath fact same livery for now.
I hope to publish v1.0 on Sunday night French time or Monday evening.
Best regards,
Radium
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@SOBO-87 said in Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35 Shenyang J-11/J-15/J-16:
They have no doubt designed a pylon adapter and are using the kits with Mk-8x bombs.
No m8. There’s legitimate doubt in this case. (I am the witness, so…)
Just like they did with the HARM.
Well not exactly similar, but in this manner., you answered it yourself.
But… will postpone any further discussion 'bout it until some evidence, if…, comes to light. Can’t exactly trust only/any one source… time will tell.
Even almighty Radium can be wrong sometimes (I know I can) -
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@Radium do you see the glitch in the Su-27 pylons? I’ve post some prints that shows this “weird” position of missiles on the Su-27
Thanks for your work and effort!
Greetings from Brazil!
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@Radium I have fixed it
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@Radium said in Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35 Shenyang J-11/J-15/J-16:
which glitch are you talking about ?
As you can see, the missiles in the right wing is kinda of “clipping” and missing the pylon, and there is an pylon “flooting” behind the AA-10 when you use the right under intake station.
And when you add 2 AA-10 in the center line, it just appears 1 without the pylon.
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@VDK Hello, this is ungoing, new files will be ready for v1.0
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Hello everyone,
I am very happy to share this :
I am very happy to have completed Ukraine livery !
It was very difficult, but the result is quite good.
Because I like it, I made some pictures with AGM-88.
More to come !
Radium
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@Radium said in Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35 Shenyang J-11/J-15/J-16:
Hello, this is ungoing, new files will be ready for v1.0
Thanks! I was wondering if i have screw things up on install process
Greetings from Brazil!
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@Radium said in Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35 Shenyang J-11/J-15/J-16:
Hello everyone,
I am very happy to share this :
I am very happy to have completed Ukraine livery !
It was very difficult, but the result is quite good.
Because I like it, I made some pictures with AGM-88.
More to come !
Radium
Another time a great work, congratulations
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@Radium said in Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35 Shenyang J-11/J-15/J-16:
Hello everyone,
I am very happy to share this :
I am very happy to have completed Ukraine livery !
It was very difficult, but the result is quite good.
Because I like it, I made some pictures with AGM-88.
More to come !
Radium
Wow!!! Great job!! This Ukranian Flanker is gorgeous !
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@Radium
Hey, yes Great work indeed.
But, just out of curiosity …
Are you at least, like 99% positive, that UKR Su-27 is carrying Harm’s ?
So far I was only able to see Mig-29’s … and I’m 100% positive about that…
But Su-27 … no info, I’m afraid…
So, what’s the verdict? -
@white_fang said in Sukhoi Su-27/30/33/35 Shenyang J-11/J-15/J-16:
@Radium
Hey, yes Great work indeed.
But, just out of curiosity …
Are you at least, like 99% positive, that UKR Su-27 is carrying Harm’s ?
So far I was only able to see Mig-29’s … and I’m 100% positive about that…
But Su-27 … no info, I’m afraid…
So, what’s the verdict?https://twitter.com/Fighterman_FFRC/status/1568192414258438145?t=cbfkLG5XDUlLvg4n_HCZ4Q&s=19
https://twitter.com/magictouch190/status/1629528594350309381?t=xqeXZO-kFr6KMHj01RIrDA&s=19 -
@white_fang I am 100% sure about it !![alt text]
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@Radium if we add the AGM-88 to the flanker, maybe we should just add a different entry in the database for it so AGM-88s won’t be on Russian or Chinese variants
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@cougar56th this is already what was agreed