Why not make an in depth Tutorial for the simulator ?
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Unless i missed something, I just end up starting in that cold F16 with nothing but the sound of the engine if i actually started it.
Chevelle said " I feel like Falcon assumes you already have some experience and know the basics." It actually does, no feeling involved. In the sim there’s 0 hand holding really.
Makes me wonder if there’s any decent detailed fighter aircraft simulator that bothers teaching anything from the start
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@Chu:
Unless i missed something, I just end up starting in that cold F16 with nothing but the sound of the engine if i actually started it.
Yes, you missed a great deal… it’s called the BMS-Training.pdf
Also, that’s not your engine you’re hearing but the engines of the A-10s starting up nearby.@Chu:
In the sim there’s 0 hand holding really.
Please cite where in the training PDF there is lack of handholding…. aside from the A-A section
@Chu:
Makes me wonder if there’s any decent detailed fighter aircraft simulator that bothers teaching anything from the start
*cough!**cough!training pdfcough!*cough!
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if you want a step by step my hombre find someone who’s willing to give it to you, or read the manual
whining about it is not going to impart you knowledge of how to fly the F-16, nor will it really serve any other purpose either.
learning to fly planes is actually semi-difficult which may be foreign to you because every other video game in the last 10 years is ****ing piss easy garbage designed with children in mind. if that’s your thing that’s cool my amigo but go play them and don’t darken our door with your complaints.
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Ice I meant literally in the sim.
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@Chu:
Ice I meant literally in the sim.
Which part?
There is no “in sim” tutorial because the training PDF exists. You can pause or freeze the sim as needed if you are having trouble catching up.
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@Chu:
Makes me wonder if there’s any decent detailed fighter aircraft simulator that bothers teaching anything from the start
But that is what I mean by basic experience. A detailed fighter simulator is far too complex for a beginning pilot. Learn on a Cessna first then move up to the high end stuff.
As for zero hand holding, that’s BS. The manual walks you through step by step with pictures. There are checklists also, take a look at those maybe.
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There was and the interactive training missions for Korea. Limited though but better than nothing.
If they were more interactive would be better.
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But that is what I mean by basic experience. A detailed fighter simulator is far too complex for a beginning pilot. Learn on a Cessna first then move up to the high end stuff.
As for zero hand holding, that’s BS. The manual walks you through step by step with pictures. There are checklists also, take a look at those maybe.
Spot on. It’s really difficult to learn to fly an F-16 when you have absolutely zero knowledge about anything actually related to flying a basic aircraft. If that’s the case it’s going to take you quite a bit longer than someone who may already have sim flight or RL flight experience.
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Hmm, 11 pages of whining…sounds like the sim vetting is working.
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Spot on. It’s really difficult to learn to fly an F-16 when you have absolutely zero knowledge about anything actually related to flying a basic aircraft. If that’s the case it’s going to take you quite a bit longer than someone who may already have sim flight or RL flight experience.
I first started with Flight Sim 95(graphics s*cked in those days) Fleet Defender Gold that’s when I got hooked on flight simulation, got myself a Suncom throttle and stick and the rest is history
Marc…
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RL fighter pilots had to learn to fly too… I’ve always felt one with limited knowledge of flight should pick up a basic flight sim and get the feeling of how to maneuver in the air, before jumping in a fast jet.
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RL fighter pilots had to learn to fly too… I’ve always felt one with limited knowledge of flight should pick up a basic flight sim and get the feeling of how to maneuver in the air, before jumping in a fast jet.
Absolutely. I got into aviation about 13 years ago started with Microsoft flight sim then got Allied Force in about 2006. Now I’m commercial pilot with a multi IFR rating and I’m still learning this sim.
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hmm. I like the process for saying folks should learn on another aircraft first. certainly, no military starts you out on fast jets for ab initio.
that said though, the F-16 is actually quite easy to fly. many of the concepts that exist in conventional aircraft are simplified away by the flight computer. the only remaining complex concept is simply getting used to the speed that things happen in. a mile and a half goes by very fast on takeoff and landing…
that speed aside though, its handling exposes very few quirks or idiosyncrasies. its a dream to fly. if anything is conplex about it to the new pilot, it would be that pressing Ctrl + E does not give them Engine Autostart a la FSX.
i guess I still would not object to a T-38 with realistic avionics, and perhaps a PC-21 or a T-6 or something along those lines. a progression of aircraft for training ab initio pilots, something with a lower landing speed than 130 knots
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I think it would be really cool if a Training aircraft was introduced with simplified avionics or even just a six pack. That way students can be introduced to the physics of flying before hopping in a fast jet where so many things happen instantaneously. Of course I don’t think this is absolutely necessary but it would be a cool feature.
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give the PC-21 ab initio aircraft a 6 pack, and maybe a cut down HUD, and the T-38 its own avionics, which are not so dissimilar to the F-16 anyway. Then training could follow the same aircraft as the prototype, through UPT into IQT
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Would be awesome. Would add a ton of realism for VFWs too.
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What sims do you suggest I’d start with ?
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BMS but be prepared to set a side a large chunk of your spare time to learn it
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We considered training Aircraft in the past, and i love the idea as well, but it never sticked
my choice was the korean T-50, close to F-16 but maybe a bit too fast for training. A prop is definitely out of the question, because of the avionics (and engine) F-16 philosophy of BMS
and indeed, that would be a VFW dreamThere was and the interactive training missions for Korea. Limited though but better than nothing.
If they were more interactive would be better.
Are they still active?they didn’t work. they were buggy as hell and more frustrating than anything else. I tried them all before starting the trining manual project. the scripts power we had back in these days were very limited and the guy who did them spend an awful lot of time on them for poor results, that’s why I decided to drop completely that concept.
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It would be cool if some form of basic flight training could be incorporated into BMS for the true newbies to flying because … you don’t even know how to fly a basic traffic pattern.
For military flying fundamentals:
…:\Falcon BMS 4.33\Docs\Operational Manuals
T-38C FLYING FUNDAMENTALS - Air Force Manual 11-251 Vol1.pdf
For combat fundamentals:
T-38C INTRODUCTION TO FIGHTER FUNDAMENTALS - AETC Tactics, Techniques And Procedures 11-1.pdf