BMS Other Fighters Mafia (BMSOFM) Journal
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Good Day,All Today’s update is mainly about the 5G Pit, with a Tornado bonus. Also, I got asked how we designate the Theater upgrades, so perhaps an explanation is in order. For the Chuckle/Osprey/OFM Theaters ,the major updates are 1.4,1.5, etc… 1.5.1 is the absolute latest version, the “mid-release” versions have the few changes discussed above. And, unless we specifically call it a hotfix, you use the uninstall old/install new process.
When we release the upgrades is dependent on what new data/settings we accumulate ,and when. CCC and others are finding improvements all the time. That was why we went from, 1.3 to 1.5 rather quickly. A lot of stuff landed in a short time. I mention that because unless something major shows up, our current plan is to wait a while for 1.6. So, if you want the latest 5G stuff, I recommend you install the file yourself. I have tested in the F-35C in multiple Theaters . All you have to do is install the 3dbutton.dat. This would be true of any jet that comes with the 5G Pit . https://www.mediafire.com/folder/2fe1tbsurxzj4/Fifth+Gen+Cockpit+Checklist+and+DOCs gives you the current 3d.dat, plus instruction how to install, a checklist for ramp start, and new to the file are checklist png’s for kneeboards. The 5G Pit changes are those I listed 2 days ago.
I mention our planned timing on 1.6 because now would be a good time to go with the latest versions. We probably won’t go and change it on you quickly There is some discussion within the Mafia about development of the Tornado, but that would likely be a 1.6 item. -
Just about the Tornado: all of you can bet it very well,
With best regards.
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@Jackal said in BMS Other Fighters Mafia (BMSOFM) Journal:
Just about the Tornado: all of you can bet it very well,
With best regards.
Jackal, I created a Discord channel for the Project
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@drtbkj
I guessed you should have done that… well done.With best regards.
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Good Day, All. Today’s update has some Mafia Discord news. We have created a Tornado Dev Group channel, moderated by Jackal. It will be available to any Mafia member, just contact Jackal on Discord to get on the Dev Channel itself
There is also a general aspect to this. I’ve found this to happen often in the Mafia. Someone has a favorite jet , wants to make it better, and takes the lead. We are very supportive of such people. -
Good Day, All. Today’s has has “teasers” of jets we’re working on at present.
We’re now doing flight testing in the Tornado, and the T-45 . The Goshawk is for a project Brother Ronin has in mind. Those projects are proceeding well.
The top picture is a pet project. A Mafia member asked me about the Tomcat. That kind of inspired me to revisit the jet. We have the variants, the A,B,and D. All are accurate in terms of engines and radar. Since the B and D were essentially the same, I thought it would be fun to modernize the D. I call it Super Tomcat 22. We are also looking at the Phoenix missile flight performance
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Good day, All. Here’s an update for today…
Firstly, I’ve gone through the Files all the “4.35-36 Data Files” are current ( flight models and cockpit files)
Secondly, flight model testing on the T-45 and Tornado continues, and both will be in the OFM 1.6 version, release date TBD.
Thirdly, while the F-14 will be in 1.6 as well, we have received a request for the updated F-14A,B,and D(“Super Tomcat 22”) files for immediate installation . https://www.mediafire.com/file/0dvriuv0aj9ycye/OFM_1.5.1_F-14_Super_Tomcat__HOTFIX.zip/file
There is a README with installation instructions.
NOTES: 1)The link above has the F-14 flight model and cockpit files for all the variants, plus the files needed for the ST 22 ordinance/hardpoints, for the “One Stop Shoppers” out there . The individual jet files are also in “4.35-36 Data Files”
2) The Tornado folder in Data Files has the current active files but not those from the WIP Tornado Project. We’ll announce when those are in place. -
@drtbkj ,
Since Brother Ronin is apparently developing the T-45 Goshawk (and that is a BEAUTIFUL model, by the way), and since that is the aircraft used for all Navy jet pipeline training, I wonder if Brother Ronin’s project might be to develop Naval Aviator Training?? If so, is he (or anyone else) working on making objectives for FCLP (Field Carrier Landing Practice), such as a runway with the “Carrier Box” and lighting, and an IFLOLS for the field?
Thanks,
Tomcattwo
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@Tomcattwo said in BMS Other Fighters Mafia (BMSOFM) Journal:
@drtbkj ,
Since Brother Ronin is apparently developing the T-45 Goshawk (and that is a BEAUTIFUL model, by the way), and since that is the aircraft used for all Navy jet pipeline training, I wonder if Brother Ronin’s project might be to develop Naval Aviator Training?? If so, is he (or anyone else) working on making objectives for FCLP (Field Carrier Landing Practice), such as a runway with the “Carrier Box” and lighting, and an IFLOLS for the field?
Thanks,
Tomcattwo
(VoiceClone)Hi, T2, It’s a WIP but yes, that’s the plan. We’ll share more on it when there is a more concrete plan
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Good Day, All. It’s been awhile since an update, so away we go…
Flight Model development continues as always . Last night we were testing some F-18 changes to address a certain flight regime. We got the issue sorted. One specific we’re investigating is to get the Hornet paddle to function (as in rl) as a G-limit override.
Speaking of FM’s ,we’re pretty close to having new dats/afm’s for you to test. I’ll announce it here when they are in the Mafia Files.
Meanwhile, Tornado dev continues, CCC has generated a lot of stuff for the upcoming OFM 1.6’s( release date TBD), and Brother Eddie is making a nice looking wing for the Harrier.
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Good Day, All, In our last update I mentioned the F-18C/E FM. I just put the latest file (.dat and .dat/afm) in the Mafia Files. Feel free to test and enjoy them, and input is welcome.
They are installed in x/BMS 4.36/data/any theater with the OFM database/sim/acdata.
The link to the Mafia Files are:https://www.mediafire.com/file/qsmotd3yem0edmw/F-18C.dat/file
https://www.mediafire.com/file/ms24mgdzlwwaqfx/F-18C_afm.dat/file
https://www.mediafire.com/file/16bb9wo8z8jos0s/F-18E.dat/file
https://www.mediafire.com/file/l3wmzvjenyqefa9/F-18E_afm.dat/fileWe also also testing new FM files for the Phoenix missile and developing the AIM-120D. More on that later.
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@drtbkj said in BMS Other Fighters Mafia (BMSOFM) Journal:
One specific we’re investigating is to get the Hornet paddle to function (as in rl) as a G-limit override.This has always been the case since 4.35 (I mean in stock BMS), so why it seems you have lost this basic capability ?
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@TOPOLO said in BMS Other Fighters Mafia (BMSOFM) Journal:
@drtbkj said in BMS Other Fighters Mafia (BMSOFM) Journal:
One specific we’re investigating is to get the Hornet paddle to function (as in rl) as a G-limit override.This has always been the case since 4.35 (I mean in stock BMS), so why it seems you have lost this basic capability ?
Hi, Topolo. What we see is that the paddle does work to override the autopilot, that’s not the issue. As you probably know, the RL Hornet is limited to 7.5 G. But, when you pull the paddle , you can get 9+. It’s a different set up then the Viper’s.
We do not see that behavior. Do you? If so, you’re doing this with stock BMS Hornet dat/afm files?
FYI, we were able to get close to 9G in the Hornet with other flight models, but it affected other flight regimes, plus of course we want to be as accurate to RL as possible. Hence the “Paddle Project” -
@drtbkj said in BMS Other Fighters Mafia (BMSOFM) Journal:
@TOPOLO said in BMS Other Fighters Mafia (BMSOFM) Journal:
@drtbkj said in BMS Other Fighters Mafia (BMSOFM) Journal:
One specific we’re investigating is to get the Hornet paddle to function (as in rl) as a G-limit override.This has always been the case since 4.35 (I mean in stock BMS), so why it seems you have lost this basic capability ?
Hi, Topolo. What we see is that the paddle does work to override the autopilot, that’s not the issue. As you probably know, the RL Hornet is limited to 7.5 G. But, when you pull the paddle , you can get 9+. It’s a different set up then the Viper’s.
We do not see that behavior. Do you? If so, you’re doing this with stock BMS Hornet dat/afm files?
FYI, we were able to get close to 9G in the Hornet with other flight models, but it affected other flight regimes, plus of course we want to be as accurate to RL as possible. Hence the “Paddle Project”Since 4.35 Paddle does not override auto-pilot, but work as described in any RL Hornet documenentation: increase maximum allowed load factor of +33% (so if your plane in light, switch from 7.5 to 10G)
Looks like you have no idea of how the FLCS of the Hornet is working in BMS (and do not even try to say it does use the F-16 FLCS code please…)
Go to :\Falcon BMS 4.36 (Internal)\Docs\04 Other Aircraft\01 F-18
open Flight Model - FA-18A,C.pdf page Page - 4 / 28FLCS load factor limiter. The FLCS of the F/A-18 A/C protect the aircraft from exceeding load factor operational limitations during symmetrical flight and if the aircraft is clean of with only A/A loads. Maximum normal load factor (NgZMax) allowed by the FLCS is continuously computed from the following input: • GW : Current Gross Weight in lbs • M : Mach number • Paddle Switch : ON or OFF If (GW < 32357) Then NgZMax = 7.5 Else If (GW > 44000) Then NgZMax = 5.5 Else NgZMax = 7.5 - 2*(GW-32357)/(44000-32357) End If End If If (M > 0.9 And M < 1.1) Then NgZMax = NgZMax - 1 If (NgZMax < 5) Then NgZMax = 5 End If End If If (Paddle_Switch=ON) Then NgZMax = NgZMax * 4 / 3 End If
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@TOPOLO said in BMS Other Fighters Mafia (BMSOFM) Journal:
@drtbkj said in BMS Other Fighters Mafia (BMSOFM) Journal:
@TOPOLO said in BMS Other Fighters Mafia (BMSOFM) Journal:
@drtbkj said in BMS Other Fighters Mafia (BMSOFM) Journal:
One specific we’re investigating is to get the Hornet paddle to function (as in rl) as a G-limit override.This has always been the case since 4.35 (I mean in stock BMS), so why it seems you have lost this basic capability ?
Hi, Topolo. What we see is that the paddle does work to override the autopilot, that’s not the issue. As you probably know, the RL Hornet is limited to 7.5 G. But, when you pull the paddle , you can get 9+. It’s a different set up then the Viper’s.
We do not see that behavior. Do you? If so, you’re doing this with stock BMS Hornet dat/afm files?
FYI, we were able to get close to 9G in the Hornet with other flight models, but it affected other flight regimes, plus of course we want to be as accurate to RL as possible. Hence the “Paddle Project”Since 4.35 Paddle does not override auto-pilot, but work as described in any RL Hornet documenentation: increase maximum allowed load factor of +33% (so if your plane in light, switch from 7.5 to 10G)
Looks like you have no idea of how the FLCS of the Hornet is working in BMS (and do not even try to say it does use the F-16 FLCS code please…)
Go to :\Falcon BMS 4.36 (Internal)\Docs\04 Other Aircraft\01 F-18
open Flight Model - FA-18A,C.pdf page Page - 4 / 28FLCS load factor limiter. The FLCS of the F/A-18 A/C protect the aircraft from exceeding load factor operational limitations during symmetrical flight and if the aircraft is clean of with only A/A loads. Maximum normal load factor (NgZMax) allowed by the FLCS is continuously computed from the following input: • GW : Current Gross Weight in lbs • M : Mach number • Paddle Switch : ON or OFF If (GW < 32357) Then NgZMax = 7.5 Else If (GW > 44000) Then NgZMax = 5.5 Else NgZMax = 7.5 - 2*(GW-32357)/(44000-32357) End If End If If (M > 0.9 And M < 1.1) Then NgZMax = NgZMax - 1 If (NgZMax < 5) Then NgZMax = 5 End If End If If (Paddle_Switch=ON) Then NgZMax = NgZMax * 4 / 3 End If
Hi, Tipolo. Thank you for the input, though I am a bit surprised by your tone. We are fully aware that the F-18 does not use F-16 FLCS code. Unless, of course you mean the specific has NASA. It used to use that. Exactly what has NASA does in the code I leave to the more tech savvy. I just know what it’s doing in the jet.
I am AFK for a couple of days and working off a cell phone. But, thanks again for the input, but we will be looking into what you have presented. -
@TOPOLO said in BMS Other Fighters Mafia (BMSOFM) Journal:
Looks like you have no idea of how the FLCS of the Hornet is working in BMS (and do not even try to say it does use the F-16 FLCS code please…)
There is really no need to be so rude. Imho.
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Thank you for the code snippet as I have been wondering how you are arriving at your FCS Nzg limitations. I will note that the limitations you have posted in the code need to be adjusted to the limitations posted in NATOPS, A1-F18AC-NFM-000, pg I-4-11 (symmetrical manuevers).
Your original code:
• GW : Current Gross Weight in lbs
• M : Mach number
• Paddle Switch : ON or OFF
If (GW < 32357) Then
NgZMax = 7.5
Else
If (GW > 44000) Then
NgZMax = 5.5
Else
NgZMax = 7.5 - 2*(GW-32357)/(44000-32357)
End If
End If
If (M > 0.9 And M < 1.1) Then
NgZMax = NgZMax - 1
If (NgZMax < 5) Then
NgZMax = 5
End If
End If
If (Paddle_Switch=ON) Then
NgZMax = NgZMax * 4 / 3
End If
Should be ammended to:
• GW : Current Gross Weight in lbs
• M : Mach number
• Paddle Switch : ON or OFF
If (GW < 32000) Then
NgZMax = 7.5
Else
If (GW = 52000) Then
NgZMax = 4.8
Else
NgZMax = 7.5 - 2.9411*(GW-32000)/(52000-32000)
End If
End If
If (M > 0.9 And M < 1.1) Then
NgZMax = NgZMax - 1
If (NgZMax < 4.8) Then
NgZMax = 4.8
End If
End If
If (Paddle_Switch=ON) Then
NgZMax = NgZMax * 4 / 3
End IfThank you for your time in this matter!
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Good Day, All,
Today’s post is an update and a Call To Arms. You see, we in the Mafia have been answering people’s requests, working on various things, and having a lot of fun doing it. We have projects for Fifth Gen, Tomcat/Phoenix missile, Tornado, bringing a lot of jets into out Theaters, and more. All great, and we will continue doing so. But, there are only so many hours in the day, and we feel our focus has become a little less “sharp”. In short, we feel we’ve been spinning our wheels a bit.
We started as Project Bug, the development of the F-18. We did so because we felt, and still do, that would benefit the most BMS Members the quickest. And so, I’m here to tell you now that we are rededicating ourselves to that end. We’ll keep doing the other stuff but our primary focus will be on the Legacy Hornet.
That was the update part of this post. The Call to Arms part is that we are reaching out to everyone, Devs and non-Devs, to work with us on flight model creation/validation and perfecting the physical 3D model. We will be reaching out to Topolo and everyone else we can reach so that we can finally provide the Hornet you all want.
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@drtbkj As I said in OFM’s discord: This is great news, mainly as a hornet virtual pilot, I have detected that after each update the flight model was different and lately I was not too convinced by its behaviour. I speak on behalf of the pilots of my squadron ( www.edavirtual.org ), you can count on us for any test, some of us have experience as beta testers in other projects.