How do you deal a fight against a J-20 in a f16 ?
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@ericfa2a said in How do you deal a fight against a J-20 in a f16 ?:
@Rouge1512 Thanks for the invitation. Flying with other people will be a next step for me. Solo simmer for many years only. Let’s discuss on Discord.
@Jackal Thanks you. Waiting for your TE
@molnibalage i am not an armament expert and i understand your point of maneuverability but we have little information about the real capacity. I have read also that in the past USA and NATO countries were surprised by the performance of some russian missiles. And we can think that China can be competent now in terms of armament production.
Where, when and which? The R-73 and its capability induced discarding the AIM-9R and ASRAAM and leaded to the AIM-9X and IRIS-T. This was ~30 years ago…
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Good Day, All,
I will be testing Rouge’s tactics today, but I have some questions…- Can we confirm that the 4.36.1 AIM-120 and Meteor missiles have HOJ?
- If yes, home do you implement it in 'pit.? In term of both “switchology” and tactically. I don’t see any reference in the current Dash-34
Thank, Joe
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@drtbkj said in How do you deal a fight against a J-20 in a f16 ?:
Good Day, All,
I will be testing Rouge’s tactics today, but I have some questions…- Can we confirm that the 4.36.1 AIM-120 and Meteor missiles have HOJ?
- If yes, home do you implement it in 'pit.? In term of both “switchology” and tactically. I don’t see any reference in the current Dash-34
Thank, Joe
Don’t know for Meteor. 120: that’ s how they work, no switch.
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@LorikEolmin said in How do you deal a fight against a J-20 in a f16 ?:
Don’t know for Meteor. 120: that’ s how they work, no switch.
Interesting. So, you just launch it without locking? Any type of range parameters?
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Shooting parameters:
- no loft, flat shot
- shoot 20° 30° in front of the bandit (you have to bet on the side where he will crank, but in general in matchplay he cranks to the opposite side you are).
Another example: https://we.tl/t-L6J5FDh25D
This whole fight is based on the maddog and HOJ. I only manage to lock it and fire it in slave mode once, and when this missile hits it, it has already been hit by a missile fired in maddog
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Why not shoot 2 AIM-120s one for each side left and right. I tried a spread of 4 maddogs like a torpedo salvo at a J-20 but didn’t hit anything.
Maybe a better tactic than trying to take on stealth vs non stealth, have an F-22 escort and take out the J-20 airbase. Exercises have shown non stealth vs stealth is close to suicide. F-22s vs F-15s and F-16s have got kill ratios of ~ 100 to 0. lol.
“During Exercise Northern Edge in Alaska in June 2006, in simulated combat exercises 12 F-22s of the 94th FS downed 108 adversaries with no losses.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-22_Raptor#Stealth
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Good morning, Gentlemen.
To all who may be interested:
I am going to release two (there will be more though) custom TEs I created for the new Taiwan this weekend, and in one of them you can test just that matter with different kind of aircraft, some F-16 variants comprised.
Just hope I will succed in bringing you a “platform” (I don’t think it could be defined a “range”) useful to see and test some new things.
Be prepared, then.Thanks a lot to all of you for the interesting discussion and your points.
With best regards to all.
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F22 vs JV20 :
How a fight goes where everyone is invisible ? -
@Rouge1512 Thanks You very much !
I have just tested an engagement without ECM after reviewing your ACMI.
I hit him with my 2 AIM-120B and i have defeated its missiles launch.
You were right, i had to be more offensive to shorten the distance even if there was missile launch in my RWR.
In fact, after its missile go active, you have an open window to fire your own and then doing evasive maneuvers as soon after firing because you are very near the PL-15 but it has depleted a lot of its energy.
Hehe 2-0 for me for the first passes.
With my AIM-9X left, i was downed even if i have tried to fire them at him.Let’s try with ECM on now and the Maddog HOJ method ! !
Best,
Eric.PS : rookie difficulty …
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@molnibalage Yes you are right, but how can we be sure there isn’t a new surprise these days.
And the US are obligate to push their new AIM very soon. The Meteor for example it’s a better missile according to the data we have… but it’s very expensive however.
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@Rouge1512 said in How do you deal a fight against a J-20 in a f16 ?:
F22 vs JV20 :
How a fight goes where everyone is invisible ?F-22 vs F-35 vs Su-57 vs J-20 ???
The million dollar question stealth vs stealth. They would probably get fairly close and shoot each other possibly MAD. Other factors would come into play such as jamming, the F-22 and F-35 can jam other radars with their radars. Not sure Su-57 and J-20 can do this, maybe but avionics are probably less sophisticated. IMO F-22 and F-35 probably have the edge overall but who knows… F-22 certainly has much better flight performance than F-35. Overall I’d say F-22 is king for now. Until 6th gen… -
Just finished the ECM confrontation after many tries.
First tries i make the mistakes to jettison only the missile !!
Then i put the missile in bore mode pressing cursor enable and uncage simultaneously and it goes maddogBut the first firing were lost … then i have succeeded two times to hit J-20 in maddog and HOJ mode…
But i have a feeling of lucky shoot… i feel not in control…strange… Ok you fire when you see the ecm jamming in the FCR at at certain distance and azimuth but really it seems strange…
Anyway thank you to share us your knowledge. I had a feeling of progression only reviewing your two ACMI files and advices.
And BMS it’s really a gem to learn and to fly.
And my missile evasion is in no manner so clean than yours … but it works … sometimes
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IMO flying against a J-20 one on one with an F-16 is like bringing a knife to a gun fight. F-22A Raptor is the answer, even better if you have a Wing-man to draw their attention.
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I’m pretty happy I just shot down two over Pyongyang. They must not of seen me or something. I was at like 12,000 feet and they were way up there at like 30,000 plus. I went went straight vertical and was able to get 2 sidewinders off.
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Hello there, this might sounds like a dumb question, but sorry I am still new to ECM stuffs.
I have try in TE multiple times, but I can not shoot a FOX 2 missile at J-20 head on. The missile won’t track J-20 head on. Even if the AIM-9 is giving me tone and the HUD shows I am in range, but the fox 2 missile will still go dumb right after the launch. The J-20 isn’t dropping any flares at the time, and I have tried AIM-9X, AIM-9M and python 5, all same result.
This doesn’t happen against other 4 gen fighters, I can shoot them up to 8 nmi no problem. So, is this part of the 5 gen ECM feature?