WIP: Dassault Rafale
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high realism, nice… !!!
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Since BMS is free mod, there should not be any issues with copyrights.
I remember way back when Counter-Strike first started as a free mod for Half-Life and they had all the real names for every gun. But from one point it started to become payable or something so they changed all the names for the guns with fictional ones
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Since BMS is free mod, there should not be any issues with copyrights.
Absoluetly not. It has NOTHING to do with money. (Dassault is not making money with video game simulator nor Rafael marketing.)
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Dassault does have reasons to keep the technology very closely guarded. Much like our F22 or F35 here in the states
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Good morning… actually that is / was and has been the case ever since. Every design is copyright protected by it’s designers unless he/she declares it otherwise.
You may find racing simulator where a Mercedes AMG is named Mecator AMB or something like that. That’s the case, because the game producer have not licensed the cars from the manufacturers.
The same applies to Flightsims. Strictly spoken one would have to ask each manufacturer for permission to use the aircraft in the sim.
Normally since they don’t have any disadvantage that their product is getting known better, the manufacturer shouldn’t have any problem with that.Dassault does have reasons to keep the technology very closely guarded. Much like our F22 or F35 here in the states
That’s certainly not an issue - for as long as you don’t use classified data for your flightmodels, radar-capability, RWR, etc. The outer 3D design of the aircraft can be seen and photographed in every detail on numerous locations. It’s not exactly like they are hiding it and wrap a towel around it e.g. at airshows. As with most publicly know military aircrafts, it’s not the hardware that is classified, it’s the software.
There are exceptions to that though, e.g when it comes to the cockpit: E.g. there is no cockpit picture publicly available for the Tornado ASSTA 3 upgrade, because it’s still classified atm. So if you would be able to sneak a cockpit picture somehow/somewhere it obviously would be a no-go to build a 3d pit from that. -
Rafale is pay-ware for FSX! This mutes the no DEV I think.
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Any news ?
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Rafale is pay-ware for FSX! This mutes the no DEV I think.
Why? Who tells you that they didn’t asked and obtained Dassault authorization?
(Just my 2 cent).
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If they had Dassault’s auth. wouldn’t they have a nice big seal on it somewhere like the Air Force does?
I would be interested in developing a 3d cockpit if the BMS community stood behind it, looks like the 3d model is around but we do not know if Hyab will release for any reason.
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BMS already has Mirage F1, 2000, and previously super etendard and Rafale (free falcon). Who cares about Dassault?
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rename it to “Rafael” and nobody cares
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I just know some ppl from the DGA (French Armament Agency) who gaves me info about that. But can’t tell you more sorry. The only thing that I say if that they may (or may not) takes legal actions (I didn’t asked them how) to anyone is trying to repro some Rafael stuff (except body shapes … it seems that they do not care that much! … not the same for cockpit and avionics design).
EDIT: And they are actually reading those lines.
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What is the point to making the DGA come here, i mean what is the point to talking with DGA guys about that? Except attracting problems about this topic, did the DGA don’t have more importants things to do instead of coming here? For what? Checking if a Rafale is not made for a videogame?! There is already a ton of Rafales just being modelised in many games. I don’t understand why it should be a problem on a sim like bms who using F16 avionics (it’s not the Rafale at all) to reproduce this baby which in all case never gonna be like the real one, and the Rafale from FSX was a payware so it’s a totally different thing. I really think that rather than talking about this kind of things, we should continue to encourage Hayab for his amazing work!
Ps: And please it’s “Rafale” not “rafael”… -
What is the point to making the DGA come here, i mean what is the point to talking with DGA guys about that? Except attracting problems about this topic, did the DGA don’t have more importants things to do instead of coming here? For what?
I do not believe that Dee-Jay caused them to “come here,” but rather that they are looking at sites like this and similar sites where their Intellectual Property might be used.
In answer to your question of what is the point: IMO, the point is that Dassault owns the rights to their stuff and can do what they wish with it. There is some leeway regarding “fair use,” but releasing something may ultimately lead to legal action such as a cease and desist – even if it is not a “for profit” item. Does it seem fair? Not really to me because, as you say, there is currently no way to faithfully reproduce the Rafale anywhere near as faithfully as the F-16 is currently modeled, but it is their prerogative to monitor their IP.
Just my 2 cents.
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Fighter procurement is politics, and Dassault Aviation needs to do better to sell more of their eminent fighter. If the different fighter consortiums were smart, they would push their unclassified models and data into the major flightsims. They would be surprised of how far their product information could reach…
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What is the point to making the DGA come here, i mean what is the point to talking with DGA guys about that? Except attracting problems about this topic, did the DGA don’t have more importants things to do instead of coming here?
DGA, Dassault, EADS, Thales … etc … French Air Force = same ppl, same relationships, same story.
I do not believe that Dee-Jay caused them to “come here,” but rather that they are looking at sites like this and similar sites where their Intellectual Property might be used.
Easiest than that … one of them is a friend met in “Salon de Provence” airbase during my officer course … And he is reading those lines simply because he is a BMS user.
Guys, I’m just “informing” that Rafael (especially cockpit) is not public property (I do not know for M2000 or MF1 or why …) I’m not Dassault nor lawyer!)
I was also surprised … but …
Do what you want. Personally, I do not care.
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…IMO, the point is that Dassault owns the rights to their stuff and can do what they wish with it…
BAH…!
What would YOU know about somebody using your models without permission, and then belatedly attempting an agreement with you and… and…
Oh.
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Well… the question is what amount of effort the DGA would like to invest. Having the Rafale in BMS would certainly be a no-go. But hey there are other ways… e.g. a user could somewhere host a additional download package or put it on torrent. There won’t be much they could do about it.
On the other hand they should ask themselves why they would take legal action if the data used for be it FM or pit is unclassified and legally obtained. There have been quite some cases where big companies took questionable legal action against small businesses or single persons, that ended in a huge shitstorm and huge damage to their overall image. -
By the way, the creation of a Rafale for BMS is for a non-profit use only. The only things DGA / Dassault can do with any action are : loosing money and damage their image toward aviation-loving-nerd-g33k-crazy people (that means 99% of ppl here ^^ )