BMS 4.33
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The most interesting thing in turning a civil flight simulator into a combat simulator is that it is very close to the “real thing” in terms of the actual flying procedures and the tasks of airforces in peacetime.
Nowadays, air policing has become a thing more than ever.
There is more action in the world going on as north korea invading south korea at 0900 in the morning and I would enjoy flying missions throughout the whole world without worrying of leaving the square world I’m living in.
But none of these does have a decent F-16 (or maybe EF-2000) with actual combat, so I’ll keep on simming with BMS. Let alone be a dynamic campaign which no one ever did complete yet except Falcon 4.0.
And flying an airliner was never that much of fun for me.I am really interested in FSX@war and would buy the FSX + F-16 + EF-2000 for it if it comes at least somehow close to BMS in terms of moddeling.
However, I could not find what is required for FSX@war (FSX Gold + TacPack?) and which airplanes are included right now.As far as I understand it, I buy FSX Gold + Tacpack und there we go?
maybe you should look closer on prepar3d instead of FSX.
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maybe you should look closer on prepar3d instead of FSX.
vrs superbug, vrs tacpack, prepar3d and prepar3d is a good combinationWhich license do I need? As far as I understand, P3D is not meant to serve the “personal consumer entertainment”?
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Which license do I need? As far as I understand, P3D is not meant to serve the “personal consumer entertainment”?
Accademic license.
The problem with fsx+tacpack(or prepar 3d + tacpack) is that it is very unclear what you need to download and install in order to do missions and campaigns.There is no tutorial or guide, i can only understand how to fly the Superbug and fire some weapon against drones(the default fsx objects), but not real ai opponents. Or maybe i am not too good on searching on vrs or fsx@war sites. -
Well, the future isn’t that bright for upcoming combat flight sims. DCS is so far the only real sim that attracts enough people to actually fly some larger multiplayer events, has a commercial development and might see some more modules in the future.
Flight gear does not really have a combat module besides bombable (which is hardly a combat sim mod) and FSX is as I understand no longer developed by Microsoft, sold to lockheed martin and no longer designed for the “end customer” as it is with P3D. The academic version is for students only- nobody cares, but they seem to exclude simming as we know it from their use.
XPlane might be worth a try but so far all I have seen is some kind of “hack” which lacks a really bright future.I really do want to know what happens with BMS. Well, 3 to 4 weeks and we all know
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IHMO it is pointless to talk about leaving F4 and build something new. Tons of times I have explained why this is totally impossbile as long as you do not have tens of million dollars and years. This is why DCS1.5 and 2.0 still based on old LOMAC partially and this is why never was released Fighter Ops, Jet Thunder or Seven-G which models only a single airframe without any environment. You/we simply do not have resource to build EVERYTHING fron scratch regardless it would be good even for Falcon.
Falcon has to live on. Period. This is the only way currently for a jet sim with such dynamic campaign and 3rd party option what good old F4 base can provide to the developers and the community either.
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IHMO it is pointless to talk about leaving F4 and build something new. Tons of times I have explained why this is totally impossbile as long as you do not have tens of million dollars and years. This is why DCS1.5 and 2.0 still based on old LOMAC partially and this is why never was released Fighter Ops, Jet Thunder or Seven-G which models only a single airframe without any environment. You/we simply do not have resource to build EVERYTHING fron scratch regardless it would be good even for Falcon.
Falcon has to live on. Period. This is the only way currently for a jet sim with such dynamic campaign and 3rd party option what good old F4 base can provide to the developers and the community either.
Exactly.
The sad thing is that right now no one is developing a modern age combat flight simulator besides of DCS. So, just in case F4 would stop right now there would be nothing left over to compete with that and nothing on the horizon that would be able to compete with it after it is released.
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Yep, yet hopefully bringing clarity to the licensing status will benefit greatly BMS and its users (assuming it goes the right way)
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Yep, yet hopefully bringing clarity to the licensing status will benefit greatly BMS and its users (assuming it goes the right way)
I think so. Well, asking for just the *.exe might be too simple actually. I’m very confident that there will be a solution for it.
I think whoever does not own a real F4 CD yet should buy it from GOG as long as it is still that cheap Mine is from 1999, and I think this should live on as long as possible.
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Be a little bit smarter and read again last Boxer’s post.
The entire community thank you for your self-control and your understanding.
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For the moment Mower, the ppl who has tendencies to ruin BMS’s future is rather you by now.
Be a little bit smarter and read again last Boxer’s post.
The entire community thank you for your self-control and your understanding.
100% agree with you.
It’s been said over again again that talks are ongoing and it can easily be infer from update on the discussion that this whole situation would culminate in a win win situation.
Please let moderate words which may flare up more fire and harm BMS at the end.
I really love the BMS mod to F4 and wish nothing terminal happens to this mod.
Let equally think of so many out there waiting on the list to have the downloaded link reopened.
I have come to know this community to be that of good guys.
Let hope for a bright future for bms F4.Cheers.
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I don’t understand how there can be legal trouble to begin with? Maybe I’m wrong but I think that normally no one can stop you from releasing a mod for a game for free. I’m guessing that BMS, unlike many mods for other games, redistributes a lot of the original Falcon 4 content that they do not own the rights to with the BMS installer?
What I’m thinking is they can’t stop the BMS team from releasing their content (models, binaries etc), the problem must be the fact that they’re distributing a lot of Falcon 4 stuff as well (I guess this is the case since only the executable is required by the installer). So, if we could create a “diff” or a “patch” that requires a specific version of Falcon 4 installed (say the GOG version) that actually uses the original files where possible, would that solve the problem? I realise that it may not be easy to do this with lots of binary files involved, especially if all of the original files has been modified, but it’s a thought. Then maybe I’m completely wrong since I haven’t done any research.
Either way, thanks to the BMS team for your hard work on this amazing mod! Hope there’s a solution soon :).
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Youve got the right idea as to why BMS is different Bluestream. Unfortunately a core part of BMS is that it edits the Falcon 4 executable. It would be technically possible to install falcon 4, and then install a mod like BMS over the top of it, but it would also be a lot more prone to error in the install process.
Also, converting BMS to that method would be a behemoth effort. Ultimately yes your line of thinking is correct, but its one of those ideas that sadly works better in theory
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I don’t think BMS technically edit’s the Falcon4 exe. The BMS team edits the source, then make a new exe and a requirement to install it is to have the original falcon4 exe.
As I understand it:
- Hasbro bought Microprose, sat on it for a few weeks then let everyone know that they were being terminated.
- An anonymous hero(ine) leaked the Falcon 4.0 source code when they learned that there would be no more Falcon.
- Several different modifications of the source code came about and eventually the best emerged as Falcon4 BMS. These were all released for free, Hasbro just didn’t care, and whomever they sold it to didn’t care.
- Falcon 4 IP was passed around for a bit.
- Tommo, Inc. bought Falcon 4.0 and now has ALL the rights to ALL the IP involved.
The rest of this is 100% speculation on my part, I HAVE NO CONCRETE INFO ON THIS WHAT-SO-EVER.
??) Tommo’s legal team said “Hey wait a second there are these volunteers distributing our IP for free. That IS NOT OK!!!”
??) Tommo’s directors said “Wait a sec. This isn’t what we signed up for…but hey it’s keeping our IP alive…In fact these guys are making our purchased IP more valuable to us…100% free of charge too!! Hmmm, but this complicates things?! We don’t have legal rights to their modifications of our source code, to which they had no legal rights to see either… … …this is soooooo complicated!!”
??) Unlike some the typical IP purchasers Tommo seems interested in maybe, just maybe, letting the BMS group keep working on things.
??) Tommo may have investors that may be uncomfortable with this relationship, which makes things more complicated.
??) We’ll have to wait and see what happens, but from my experience, the fact that there wasn’t an immediate “Bad news guys…” is a very good sign.
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Gentlemen, just my two cents about: I’m rather to second zimluura’s statements, but most of all his last speculation - a legal suit, from my job experience in courts, is in short a ‘civil’ war.
As ‘civil’ as you want, but always a war, and no one I think can tell after it’s ended that he won totally or came out unwounded.
So, whatever might be the cause of the actual owners of Falcon 4.0’s requirements, I would be confident in a wise arrangement, even if it will take its time.With best regards,
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Youve got the right idea as to why BMS is different Bluestream. Unfortunately a core part of BMS is that it edits the Falcon 4 executable. It would be technically possible to install falcon 4, and then install a mod like BMS over the top of it, but it would also be a lot more prone to error in the install process.
Also, converting BMS to that method would be a behemoth effort. Ultimately yes your line of thinking is correct, but its one of those ideas that sadly works better in theory
Ah, the source was leaked I forgot about that. So the source is modified and recompiled using the leaked version, but still, an executable is completely useless without the assets. It just feels like if there would be no common assets between the original Falcon 4 and the BMS installer, it would be a hard for the owners to do anything about it. And why would they want to? Just to be clear, I’m not suggesting that anyone should do something about it now, I’m sure that everything that can be done is being done, I just like to understand what’s going on.
Still, even if I have it downloaded since before, it’s all a bit frustrating because things like this does no good, it brings bad will to Tommo (and probably hurts their sales too, so if they’re not planning on getting rid of BMS and creating their own version in the future…) and it also obviously hurts the BMS community. Who’s the winner in all this?
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Who’s the winner in all this?
If you guys stay calm, and just wait patiently without making dramas, it will be a win/win/win situation.
So please … refer to last Boxer’s post. Stop shouting and just wait further informations.
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Take another direction gents
You’ve been speculating enoughThere will only be one warning…
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Eagerly awaiting the F18C FM update…there, direction change fulfilled.
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So get your stick on and ready Mo.
Yeap guys too much speculation (look who’s talking) might ignite or put on the table things that r not on their table.
So Mo. Long gone since you lube your stick.
Grease or wd40 or Vaselin?