F16C vs F/A 18

[Mav-jp]

Sorry if i spoil here the original Maker, but that is the best flight model comparison i have ever seen by far , demonstrating how the F18C is different from the F16C in 4.33 U1

https://youtu.be/B8CAQ2HQQiw
Just a few remarks :

Congratulation fantastic video , excellent editing

JP

[Dee-Jay]

Well done Jp!

Great vid! … thanks to the author!

(Mower is gonna be very happy IMO!)

[Rasputin]

Paddle switch?! I did not know about the paddle overide.

Thanks for the feedback. I’m going to take the video down while I make edits. It will be be back in 3-4 weeks. (Kidding, hopefully just one.)

[spartan111]

Hi all, the video is impressive!!!

about the “pitch” departure, I think that in RL it should be more difficult to reach to such behaviour, and also the aircraft should “tell you” “hey man, I am in the limit…” more clearly than it happens today in BMS. What is your opinion Mav?

Nevertheless I have been talking with Real Hornet Pilots and they also say that it very good the flight model. Thanks Mav for this beauty gift!!

Keep pushing Mav-jp.

[Airbuster]

Video is private

[NIL]

Hi Mav-jp

I can’t see the video, It tells me that it’s private…

Greetings

[Agave_Blue]

@NIL:

Hi Mav-jp

I can’t see the video, It tells me that it’s private…

Greetings

@Airbuster:

Video is private

@Rasputin:

Paddle switch?! I did not know about the paddle overide.

Thanks for the feedback. I’m going to take the video down while I make edits. It will be be back in 3-4 weeks. (Kidding, hopefully just one.)

Is it done yet?!?!?

[Stevie]

Private video?…

[Agave_Blue]

@Stevie:

Private video?…

@Rasputin:

……

Thanks for the feedback. I’m going to take the video down while I make edits. It will be be back in 3-4 weeks. (Kidding, hopefully just one.)

:wfish:

[Stevie]

Ok…it should also be noted that the G limit is also based on external configuration and a number of other factors. But I’ll wait for the movie…

[Mav-jp]

@Stevie:

Ok…it should also be noted that the G limit is also based on external configuration and a number of other factors. But I’ll wait for the movie…

straitght from NATOPS FLIGHT MANUAL
A1-F18AC - NFM-000

2.8.2.3 G Limiter. The g limiter prevents exceeding the aircraft positive g limit under most
conditions while permitting full symmetrical and unsymmetrical (rolling) maneuvering. The reference
for symmetrical pilot commands is the aircraft design load (+7.5 g at 32,357 pounds gross weight).
Unsymmetrical pilot command limits are dependent on lateral stick position and vary from the
symmetrical limit with small lateral stick displacement to 80% of the symmetrical limit with full
lateral stick displacement. A g limiter override feature allows an increase in the command limit g for
emergency use.
Below 44,000 pounds gross weight, the positive symmetrical command limit is calculated based on
fuel state and stores loading. Above 44,000 pounds gross weight, the positive symmetrical command
limit is fixed at +5.5 g. The negative symmetrical command limit is fixed at -3.0 g at all gross weights
and stores loading. Longitudinal stick displacement required to achieve command limit g varies with
airspeed and gross weight. When the command limit g is reached, additional aft stick does not increase
g. The positive command limit g is reduced when decelerating through the transonic region. This
reduction may be as much as 1.0 g providing the available g is not reduced below +5.0 g.
Rapid aft stick movement, with or without g limiter override, commands
a very high g-onset rate. This high g-onset rate can cause immediate loss
of consciousness without the usual warning symptoms of tunnel vision,
greyout, and blackout. Consciousness may not return for more than 20
seconds after the g level is reduced to near 1 g.
The g limiter may be overridden by momentarily pressing the paddle switch with the control stick
near full aft. Command limit g is then increased by 33%.

Override is disengaged when the control stick is returned to near neutral.

All of this is coded in 4.33 U1 , YES ALL OF IT, including G reduction with lateral stick displacement

[Rasputin]

Very. ****ing. Cool. I’m testing it and it works exactly as advertised. The video is in the process of being corrected.

[Sting]

Nice job mate. The Viper is truly an awesome AC. The paddle switch is a great little trick during a DF, but don’t miss your shot or you will be a pin cushion….

Still love my little bug though…hehe

[Stevie]

@Mav-jp:

straitght from NATOPS FLIGHT MANUAL
A1-F18AC - NFM-000

2.8.2.3 G Limiter. The g limiter prevents exceeding the aircraft positive g limit under most
conditions while permitting full symmetrical and unsymmetrical (rolling) maneuvering. The reference
for symmetrical pilot commands is the aircraft design load (+7.5 g at 32,357 pounds gross weight).
Unsymmetrical pilot command limits are dependent on lateral stick position and vary from the
symmetrical limit with small lateral stick displacement to 80% of the symmetrical limit with full
lateral stick displacement. A g limiter override feature allows an increase in the command limit g for
emergency use.
Below 44,000 pounds gross weight, the positive symmetrical command limit is calculated based on
fuel state and stores loading. Above 44,000 pounds gross weight, the positive symmetrical command
limit is fixed at +5.5 g. The negative symmetrical command limit is fixed at -3.0 g at all gross weights
and stores loading. Longitudinal stick displacement required to achieve command limit g varies with
airspeed and gross weight. When the command limit g is reached, additional aft stick does not increase
g. The positive command limit g is reduced when decelerating through the transonic region. This
reduction may be as much as 1.0 g providing the available g is not reduced below +5.0 g.
Rapid aft stick movement, with or without g limiter override, commands
a very high g-onset rate. This high g-onset rate can cause immediate loss
of consciousness without the usual warning symptoms of tunnel vision,
greyout, and blackout. Consciousness may not return for more than 20
seconds after the g level is reduced to near 1 g.
The g limiter may be overridden by momentarily pressing the paddle switch with the control stick
near full aft. Command limit g is then increased by 33%.

Override is disengaged when the control stick is returned to near neutral.

All of this is coded in 4.33 U1 , YES ALL OF IT, including G reduction with lateral stick displacement

That’s only part of the story - the part that covers basic system design, and the point for one base configuration; re: the 7.5 G limit. As stated, that limit changes to other fixed numbers based on store loading…you need more than the NATOPS to get the whole story. Great that you’ve coded this much, though…

…and BTW - the G limiter will NOT prevent you from over-G-ing the aircraft…even if you don’t pull the paddle switch. Oh - and what version of the NATOPS, and what version FCC OFP? Because things change…often.

[Mav-jp]

@Stevie:

That’s only part of the story - the part that covers basic system design, and the point for one base configuration; re: the 7.5 G limit. As stated, that limit changes to other fixed numbers based on store loading…you need more than the NATOPS to get the whole story. Great that you’ve coded this much, though…

…and BTW - the G limiter will NOT prevent you from over-G-ing the aircraft…even if you don’t pull the paddle switch. Oh - and what version of the NATOPS, and what version FCC OFP? Because things change…often.

it is written here :
"
Below 44,000 pounds gross weight, the positive symmetrical command limit is calculated based on
fuel state and stores loading."

[Mav-jp]

@Stevie:

…and BTW - the G limiter will NOT prevent you from over-G-ing the aircraft…even if you don’t pull the paddle switch. Oh - and what version of the NATOPS, and what version FCC OFP? Because things change…often.

and btw who said it is not the casz as well in BMS ?

just test it, you can overG the AC as well in BMS

anyway as stated many times i will not code the real f18 FLC line by line like the f16 because most people would not see the difference. I just want to make a quite realistic FM than can be on of the best on the market of public sim.

what is important is to witness that now the f18 fm is not at all a f16 disguised

[Fracapelo]

Can’t see, private vídeo.

[Stevie]

@Mav-jp:

it is written here :
"
Below 44,000 pounds gross weight, the positive symmetrical command limit is calculated based on
fuel state and stores loading."

I’m not saying that’s “wrong” I’m saying that’s only part of the way it works. Unless you have both the NATOPS and the TACMAN (or NATIP, as it’s now known) you only have part of the story. And no - I’m not going to provide what’s missing.

[PumpyHead]

@Stevie:

I’m not saying that’s “wrong” I’m saying that’s only part of the way it works. Unless you have both the NATOPS and the TACMAN (or NATIP, as it’s now known) you only have part of the story. And no - I’m not going to provide what’s missing.

Stevie, I’m not saying that what you’re saying is “wrong.” I’m saying that you only know part of how it works. Unless you have the additional operations manual besides NATOPS and NATIP, you only have part of the story. An no - I’m not going to provide, or even hint at what you’re missing.

[Mav-jp]

@PumpyHead:

Stevie, I’m not saying that what you’re saying is “wrong.” I’m saying that you only know part of how it works. Unless you have the additional operations manual besides NATOPS and NATIP, you only have part of the story. An no - I’m not going to provide, or even hint at what you’re missing.

ROFLMAO