ECM and IECM question
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jam radar threats with an internal electronic countermeasures (IECM) set
- GR1F-16CJ-34-1-1
control electrical POWER to the jammer (if fitted) or jamming pad* (if carried)
- assuming “pad” is a misspelling of “pod”
- BMS1F-16CM-34-1-1
Would the “if fitted” jammer be an IECM? And what F16’s would it not be fitted to?
I assume a jammer pod would perform the same task, but more capably.
The power switch on the ECM panel is only relevant to an external jammer pod, as stated in the 16CM-1?
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Would the “if fitted” jammer be an IECM? And what F16’s would it not be fitted to?
If fitted means either available internally or to an external pod. Internal suites planes are the HAF, THK Poland plus some couple more. You’ll recognize the jammer teardrop sensor cover in the tail beneath the rudder (covering real hemisphere), and to the bigger structure left/right of the intake, next to the formation lights (covering the front hemisphere). All Vipers are capable of carrying externally ecm pods, but very limited users have clearance and purchased them.
I assume a jammer pod would perform the same task, but more capably.
Not necessary, internal suite can be as powerful as an external ecm pod, but specific output data in order to compare are classified as obvious.
The power switch on the ECM panel is only relevant to an external jammer pod, as stated in the 16CM-1?
Either internal or external, depending the available system. But, again depending the system, this particular panel is unique per system / operator.
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I assume that means that if an F16 wasn’t fitted with an IECM and wasn’t equipped with an external jammer that it wouldn’t have jamming available as part of its EWS?
Just to clarify as there always seems to be a wrinkle somewhere.
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Does the AN ALQ184 pod have jamming capabitility ?
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Does the A/N ALQ-184 pod have jamming capabitility ?
ThanksVery much so! In general, any ‘ALQ-xxx’ will have jamming capability - it means Airborne, Countermeasures, Special in the Army Navy classification system for equipment.
The exact specifications are not available, but it is a quite sophisticated deception jammer.
I assume that means that if an F16 wasn’t fitted with an IECM and wasn’t equipped with an external jammer that it wouldn’t have jamming available as part of its EWS?
Just to clarify as there always seems to be a wrinkle somewhere.
Yes, that is correct. Just as in BMS, in that regard.
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How jamming is activated from the AN ALQ184 ?, I asume that using the JMR on/off switch,at the CMDS panel, but in that case I cannot see the ECM light is on.-
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read manual
it’s cms aft
but seriously read manual
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How jamming is activated from the AN ALQ184 ?, I asume that using the JMR on/off switch,at the CMDS panel, but in that case I cannot see the ECM light is on.-
@Cik:
read manual
it’s cms aft
but seriously read manual
That pretty much covers it for BMS. Its a bit more complicated for the real jet, depends on specific systems (which of several are installed), and is sensitive information. The closest Ive ever come to any details on it is somewhat contradictory and impossible to corroborate. T.O. 1F-16CM-34-1-1-1 explains it in full, but if that is a manual you can get your hands on, you didn’t need me to tell you that.
Basics as I understand it are the OPR switch being on, in the CIU-9492 ECM panel, consent having been granted through CMS aft, and a program selected on the ECM panel by pushing the appropriate button for the program chosen. The pod then analysing inbound signals hitting its receivers, and deciding whether any emission is warranted - depending on the program selected, selecting from a set of jamming techniques and applying them as appropriate.
Its a topic briefly commented on, in the Fundamentals of Electronic Warfare, publicly available online as a PDF.
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In general, cockpit panel switches are only to power-up system, test, set programs & priorities, arm to either normal or war modes (different output power plus some more details), and select jam hemispheres (front-only, rear-only, both frond & rear, based on suite capabilities). Command jamming is given through stick CMS switch, depending and on program.
Non of the known manuals (T.O.'s, -34’s etc) describe the FULL system operation, only the absolutely basic functionality. Detailed documentation is of course secret.
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In general, cockpit panel switches are only to power-up system, test, set programs & priorities, arm to either normal or war modes (different output power plus some more details), and select jam hemispheres (front-only, rear-only, both frond & rear, based on suite capabilities). Command jamming is given through stick CMS switch, depending and on program.
Non of the known manuals (T.O.'s, -34’s etc) describe the FULL system operation, only the absolutely basic functionality. Detailed documentation is of course secret.
-34-1-1 describes where to find the full system operation needed for airborne functionality. Problem is its location in the -34-1-1-1 supplement, which is as you say, SECRET.
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As I’ve said, the documentation I am refereeing to is not included to any Technical Order (like the -34-1-1-1).
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Nice explanation Blu3wolf.:thumb:
I just wanted to breathe some life into this thread by adding: the ALQ-128 for the F-15 isn’t a jammer, however it’s perhaps understandable why it fits under the ‘ALQ’ designation.
As for the ALQ-131 & ALQ-184, I tried to provide a write-up of how the panel functions, sans jammer programme descriptions here: https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?26354-ECM-pods&p=375694&viewfull=1#post375694
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Hi all !
I’m resurrecting this old but interesting thread(I wasn’t the 1st, as I can see …) because there’s smg I don’t understand, or I’m not sure about .
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As I read on other threads/posts before , it seems there’s any differences between the different kind of ECM pods in BMS, except their weight and drag coefficient . Does this apply too to the Soviet/Russian ECMpods(S 141 , Sorbitsya…) , or are they “fake pods” ?
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How do I know if a plane is internally or externally fitted(or nothing at all) with an ECM pod ? Should I check in the AcData ? If yes, where are the lines that refers to the Jamming capability ?
EDIT : And the older pods like the BOZ ? Does it actually works or is it only for the eye-candy ?
EDIT 2 : Last question : I’ve fitted a F111 with a Tornado pit as I thought they look pretty the same . When I fly it , an I power the ECM , I can see “ECM” flashing directly on the FCR if I’m in A-A mode , plus a button is flashing in board(as usal) : in this plane I’m always sure my ECM is jamming .
But on the other planes , nothing appears on the FCR(althought there’s still a button flashing somewhere …) : Does that means on the other plane I’m not doing correctly , or simply that every pit has its own style, regarding the ECM ? I was wondering, as all the avionics are from the F16 in all pits …
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Check the ACdata. There is a line refers to ECM internal or not in the Avionics section
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Thanks, but could you please be a little more precise ? I’m looking in it, I compared some planes between them to see where was the different lines , but I’m still doubful …
Is it the line “rwrType” ? or another ? I’m still confused
where are the lines that refers to the Jamming
That’s precisely what I don’t find and I would like to know .
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avionicsCanUseSpice 0
avionicsJDAMAvionicsType 0
avionicsDiffICPStyle 0
avionicsMLUPFL 0
avionicsDatalink 2
avionicsDLCursorAsWaypoint 0
avionicsDteIdmLabel 0
avionicsHudLadderTapeType 0
avionicsHudVAHTapeType 0
avionicsHudDGFTDefaultMode 0
avionicsDGFTMasterModeLabelOnHud 0
avionicsDGFTAttitudeAwareness 1
avionicsMLUM2TAOnHUD 1
avionicsHudAATargetAspectAngle 1
avionicsHudOlderMasterModeWindow 0
avionicsNewAMRAAMdlz 1
avionicsBullseyeOnHud 1
avionicsDEDHudRepeaterBlanksOnDGFT 1
avionicsHudNavDeclutterEnabled 1
avionicsHudNavSpdAltTapesLag 0
avionicsZenithNadirOnHud 1
avionicsGhostHorizonAwareness 1
avionicsEPAFRadarCues 1
avionicsRadarJamChevrons 1
avionicsRadarVsMode 1
avionicsRadarLrsMode 1
avionicsRadarUlsMode 1
avionicsColorMfd 1
avionicsGrayScaleGM 1
avionicsActivateMFDBoot 0
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avionicsEGIUpgrade 1
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avionicsRWRType 0
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avionicsGunSSLCMode 1
avionicsGunLCOSMode 1
avionicsGunSNAPMode 1
avionicsEngineType 0
avionicsMfdCataSymbolAim120 0
avionicsHudOldBAIType 0
avionicsCursorEnableAsToggle 0
avionicsMaverickHandoffCapeable 1
avionicsDisplayColors 78 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
avionicsASIU 0
avionicsLongUncageTogglesSTRF 0
avionicsTTDBlanking 0
avionicsBackupTacanOnMFD 1So, here’s an AcData . Where should I look ?
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Thanks for the help …
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Thanks for the help …
Sorry I got it wrong. I think there is no way to edit ECM capability in the ACdata.
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to edit ECM capability
No problem , but I don’t want to edit anything(unless it is absolutely necessary , for example if a TGP capability has been forgotten) .
I’m just looking for a way to check , with no doubt, if(and how) a plane is jammer capable .
Thank you anyway ,for having taking the time to answer.
regards,
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Finally have it … The answer was simple . I should have read more ressources (but there are so many in that sim ! )
Anyway , my bad : The superb The Vault had all the answer I need .
Hundreds thanks and hats off for the writer of this document (Tee Square ? I’m not sure)