Saitek X65
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Well, thanks for all the opinions guys. I purchased the X65. I think I just have to try if it works for me. As reverting to a traditional stick is always possible.
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Well, thanks for all the opinions guys. I purchased the X65. I think I just have to try if it works for me. As reverting to a traditional stick is always possible.
Where did you find it?
Cannot find anywhere… nor new nor used -
Used of course. It is discontinued since 2013. There is one on EBay from the russian federation. But I found it in the german “ebay kleinanzeigen” maybe thats like craig list in the US?!
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that’s degrees sorry I didn’t want to bust out key generator to get the proper demarcation sir, yes sir. lol. I wish i could find that spanish guys website on here again, when i was asking about this stuff or searching it can’t remember he was making custom parts for existing stick conversions.
10° is a lot… thats 1/9th of the way to horizontal. Needless to say, the X-65F, the FCC-3 and I believe the FSSB all do not deflect this much.
FCC-3 has a very small deflection, similar to the X-65F. You could ask RD perhaps, I believe his pit uses a real SSC from an early block?
EDIT: Oh and if you hold Alt and then type quickly 0176 it generates the ° symbol. Useful one to know around here, degrees seems to come up very often.
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That means the X65F was the only commercially produced force sensing stick on the market? Wow. The FCC-3 and FSSB had to be built or better “modded” from Cougar or Warthog HOTAS Sticks, right? I feel honored now that I purchased one of the rare X65F sticks
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That means the X65F was the only commercially produced force sensing stick on the market? Wow. The FCC-3 and FSSB had to be built or better “modded” from Cougar or Warthog HOTAS Sticks, right? I feel honored now that I purchased one of the rare X65F sticks
Only one I know of. Im glad I upgraded away from my X-65F, but it was a stick Im still glad to own.
I think personally it could have been much more popular if not for some of the design flaws it came with.
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you’ll want to either upgrade eventually to an logitech x56 throttle quadrant, or hope to the gods that you get a good one and it doesn’t bleed EM like most of the x55 and x56 assemblies under saitek, which causes false inputs.
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Well, mine works fine. If you were going to upgrade, you might as well upgrade rather crossgrade - go the whole hog and get a cougar.
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I’m holding off, the word on the street is after this whole hornet tomcat screw in grip, there may be a Eurofighter HOTAS trickling down the pipe in a few years. I have everything, I prefer the x56 because of the ease of making key profiles and I can’t hold metal long without my hand freaking out and the skin getting all red and rosy. I also, just like the x56 layout and selections better.
EDIT POST: I don’t have an x65, that is some rare kit. and Like you guys, despite hell or high water if I could snap one up I would for sure.
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My x65 still going strong and i still love it.
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I finally got my X65F and it’s an awesome experience flying with it. Thanks for all the useful hints you guys gave. I installed a wooden plate as armrest on my chair and screwed the x65f down on it. : ) But I realized that I can assign functions with the keyfile editor Alpha1 to all buttons on the Stick, or better the throttle and the panel, but being in game BMS just does not recognize all of them it if I press them. Its the T1 up to T4 buttons, and whats more annoying is that the left two switches on the throttle are not recognized in BMS either. Can someone help?
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- But I realized that I can assign functions with the keyfile editor Alpha1 to all buttons on the Stick, or better the throttle and the panel, but being in game BMS just does not recognize all of them it if I press them. Its the T1 up to T4 buttons, and whats more annoying is that the left two switches on the throttle are not recognized in BMS either. Can someone help?
This is a known issue. IIRC this is due to the Windows DX limitation of 32 buttons (the X65 HOTAS has more “buttons” than that). I programmed the remaining hats and buttons with the Saitek Profile Editor so that BMS recognizes the keypresses they send. Thus, I need to set the profile to the HOTAS before starting BMS, but I don’t consider that a big deal.
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I don’t have enough fantasy to use all stuff on my X65, some of buttons are still unassigned.
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Hello . I am back in that X65F thread after quite some months with the X65F. Out of curiosity I just connected my old and cheap Logitech Attack3 conventional stick and I was surprised how much more accurate I could fly with it when pulling many Gs and make slight roll corrections in gunfights. I mean of course the resolution of the Attack3 is crap compared to the x65f when it comes to precision flying for AAR for example. But in gunfights that cheap stick made me perform a lot better, not going into that right left swinging motion I often end up with the x65f when pulling but making roll corrections. Whats your experience with the x65f? I am also thinking about reverting to a conventional but more expensive stick like the warthog. But whats also tempting for me is that I could get a pre used FSSV R3 force sensing warthog at the moment. Did anyone get the chance to compare the X65F with the conventional Warthog and the FSSB R3 Warthog? I am really curious about it.
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If you havent already, Id recommend clamping or bolting down the stick so it cant move, and turning the sensitivty all the way down.
If you are using force from your hand to hold the stick down, its quite difficult to fly accurately with low sensitivity. Its difficult to fly accurately at all with high sensitivity. Id consider the Warthog carefully though. Its a better layout for the controls, the X-65 has a terrible position for the weapon release.
flying the x-65 in BFM should only require small corrections to the direction of pull to make roll corrections. If you have any deadzones set in the editor or in BMS, Id get rid of them.
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“the X-65 has a terrible position for the weapon release.” ???
I thought it was in the same place as a RL stick???
Where should it be ???
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First thing I did was screwing the X65F down on my armrest to resemble the position it has in the real F16. That the button layout is not perfect, thats true but no big problem for me. I fly with the middle sensitivity of 2,5 kgf. But what I start to doubt is that if you are not sitting in a real F16 where you get the feedback from feeling where the plane is really going, you need to have a conventional stick. Because sometimes I end up looking at then enemy fighter while pulling Gs not realizing that I was slightly rolling and going off track. If I use a conventional stick I have that haptic feeling for what I do on the stick while watching what the enemy does. Also what I find difficult is if I want to keep my energy / speed I have to reduce Gs. So I have a quick look at the HUD how many Gs I can pull without slowing down, look back at the enemy. With a conventional stick I find it very easy because I can feel the position the stick has not to exceed the amount of Gs I can pull at that moment.
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all I’m missing is that ejection chair.
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I use since years x52 pro without any problems, The reaction is great and the price to
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“the X-65 has a terrible position for the weapon release.” ???
I thought it was in the same place as a RL stick???
Where should it be ???
Heres a couple images, can you find all the differences? Spot them all!
Take note that the leftmost hat is above the weapon release on the X-65, and the weapon release is above the leftmost hat on the SSC. (and the cougar) (and the warthog) (and the X-56)
So when you manipulate that hat, your thumb knuckle is resting on the weapon release.
Im sure Im not the only one to have had belated FOX TWO calls as a result of using this joystick…