Educational science ? Reading method recommendation requested?
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Hi,
I am converting from BMS 4.32 to 4.33. It is a huge leap. I have jumped feet first into Mavericks (because they were easy). I have the training mission document printed out (well, the Maverick section anyway). So, I am trying to learn Maverick!
So, I am struggling with bad weather flying, the targeting pod, the mavs, and a document that doesn’t understand incremental learning I.e. starting easy and building up little by little. I am all flooded out with information. Am I missing something? Did I Need to start way back on lesson 1 and learn to fly again? I certainly haven’t used TFR in the F16 and don’t recognise half of the concepts e.g. “hand off”. “bore sight alignment”? Wow! Where am I going wrong?
Terry
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Hi,
I am converting from BMS 4.32 to 4.33. It is a huge leap. I have jumped feet first into Mavericks (because they were easy). I have the training mission document printed out (well, the Maverick section anyway). So, I am trying to learn Maverick!
So, I am struggling with bad weather flying, the targeting pod, the mavs, and a document that doesn’t understand incremental learning I.e. starting easy and building up little by little. I am all flooded out with information. Am I missing something? Did I Need to start way back on lesson 1 and learn to fly again? I certainly haven’t used TFR in the F16 and don’t recognise half of the concepts e.g. “hand off”. “bore sight alignment”? Wow! Where am I going wrong?
Terry
Isn’t the AGM-65 ‘Cavok’ mission clear weather? Or am I mis-remembering?
Also, if you started with training mission #1 and worked forward, didn’t you get ILS training along the way?
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Hi,
I wasn’t clever enough to start at lesson 1. . . . Maybe that is what I need to do. Maybe 4.33 is just too different to convert, weapon by weapon, and I need to start again. That is one hell of a commitment.
Does the ILS training cover TFR (terrain following radar) then? This seems to be a learning-dependency. In other words, you need to do the TFR lesson to be able to cope with Mavericks in mission 13. I’ll try mission 14 and see what happens.
Many thanks.
Terry
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Starting to get there now. Still on mission 14 but managed to get tgp and wpn alignment understood and working. Not too hard in the CAVOK mission. I just read up on what cavok means. . . . I need to do some terrain following soon.
Many thanks for the help. It got me over a hurdle . . .I was really struggling.
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The low altitude Maverick training mission is very challenging. The training missions are more compact, dense, layered exams and demonstrations than gentle little-by-little instructions. Introduction and success are unlikely in the same attempt. Increment comes from the user mostly: which parts are prioritized, which parts are attempted, which parts are understood and so on.
Page 120, ingress. Follow the instructions with the following exception. The last paragraph mentions that the handoff will fail and to appreciate the error messages which follow and how to remedy them and so on. This is a great learning experience but don’t do it operationally. Once it’s understood that it can fail and what it looks like there’s no value in allowing it to happen in the first place. There is sufficient time during the handoff attempt prior to the error to switch SOI and override the process to track the same object as the TGP which avoids the handoff failure and all the associated labor. Lastly page 121 ends with checking the handoff succeeding after which inspires confidence but isn’t operationally necessary.
Since the mission uses TFR the TFR systems should be known. There is a detailed mission on that topic to review.
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Cool. My big mistake was I thought I could just walk through the door and start using 4.33 after a long time on 4.32. I was concentrating on my campaign. Then I started missing with agm65s - what? So, I jumped into the training to try and restore my knowledge on that one weapon type. The unstructured (unstructured learning) training material is more of a challenge than the campaign. I used to teach object-oriented and structured software development methods (Yourdon SA/SD/RT). Even guys with a good degree and years of experience wouldn’t survive one of my training courses if I designed them with a huge mix of diverse concepts in one lesson. That is almost cruel.:D
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Hi,
I am converting from BMS 4.32 to 4.33. It is a huge leap. I have jumped feet first into Mavericks (because they were easy). I have the training mission document printed out (well, the Maverick section anyway). So, I am trying to learn Maverick!
So, I am struggling with bad weather flying, the targeting pod, the mavs, and a document that doesn’t understand incremental learning I.e. starting easy and building up little by little. I am all flooded out with information. Am I missing something? Did I Need to start way back on lesson 1 and learn to fly again? I certainly haven’t used TFR in the F16 and don’t recognise half of the concepts e.g. “hand off”. “bore sight alignment”? Wow! Where am I going wrong?
Terry
Lol. You guys are something
You state that the document doesn’t understand incremential learning but you picked up mission 13 out of 15 to start your conversion. What about comon sense
Incremental Learning indeed means you try mission 1 and by the time you hit mission 13 then you already learned a few things on the way to get there and maybe then mission 13 might be easier, that’s said it’s still one of the most challenging mission, on purpose.So yes I’d definitely advise you to start from the beginning.
The weather in Bms can be very severe and can impact your mission. That’s a factor needed to be taken into consideration => mission 06
Navigation=> mission 02
TFR use => mission 08
TGP use => mission 11And you want to start with mission 13 which cope with bad weather, TGP, TFR, navigation all together amongst other things?
If you follow the training, then hitting mission 13, the only new things would be maverick use, the rest should be already understood.So please don’t say we didn’t accound incremental Learning. We did. You just missed it
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Hi Red,
You are entirely correct. I totally missed the big sign saying “START AT THE BEGINING STUPID”. . . . My only excuse is months of learning and practice on 4.32 (I am a bit of an addict according to the wife). I hadn’t appreciated the massive change. It was only a point release after all. If it had been called version 5, I might have “twigged” . . .
maybe.In the training courses that I have put together, for professional software engineers, I always publish a prerequisite learning section. That goes a long way to leading the newbie into the learning experience. If I am teaching Class diagrams I don’t go “off piste” onto activity diagrams. Just a few suggestions. . . Plus, I always get the course reviewed using Fagan inspection (several people reviewing from different perspectives).
Thanks for the help. I am now going back to the start and will do things properly now. Plus, I won’t approach this as a computer game. Big mistake. It is something far more serious. . . . and better.
Merry Christmas.
Terry
PS I picked up a copy of IL2 COD. Fantastic graphics but far less immersive. I have no idea why. It just is. The in-game training for that is rediculously poor with very little explained. No manual. . . . Doesn’t compare with Falcon4. Just noticed that you are in Brussels. I lived in Reet for nearly 4 years. I wsas working for Bell Telephones in Antwerp.
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PS I picked up a copy of IL2 COD. Fantastic graphics but far less immersive. I have no idea why. It just is. The in-game training for that is rediculously poor with very little explained. No manual. . . . Doesn’t compare with Falcon4.
Did you add the community patch to it? Without it it’s a mess. It’s called Team Fusion Patch. Also keep in mind those planes are far less sophisticated than an F-16 :wfish:
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Thanks for that. I did indeed do the community patch.
I did 6 months with BOB2. IL2 is very similar but with better graphics. I haven’t tried the campaign as yet. I am still having trouble with basic flight.
Now, I have to manage my time between the two sims now. Hard. . . .
Happy New Year.