[AGM-65] How to hit my GMT's?
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Here is a pic that shows the slip:
I just tested Mavericks, and the boresight errors gap is not that large, I mean it can be quite large on the ground, but in LOS itās usually always inside the HUD (assuming you are not too closeā¦)
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I just tested Mavericks, and the boresight errors gap is not that large, I mean it can be quite large on the ground, but in LOS itās usually always inside the HUD (assuming you are not too closeā¦)
No.
Do not know.
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But, why after the second, or the third missile?
In my TE IĀ“ve the D-type and carry 4 missiles.
Shot-1: a very small slip after uncaging the next missile
Shot-2: a very big slip after uncaging the next missile
It is (IMHO and with my skill) impossible to fire more then two missiles with a steady cross (aka target hit)ā¦ -
Two missiles per pass is a good level of skill especially for uncalibrated missiles. The offset should be random from station to station. Sometimes I feel the offset error doesnāt kick in for a second which is quite disorienting.
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Hi,
I played a bit more with Mavs, and I think I know what is the āslipā you were talking about. If the TGP is on the other MFD (even if in slave mode, but it is controlling the SPI, of course) there seems to be a bug which cause the newly selected missile to ājumpā a bit when slewing starts, that is definitely a bug and I will chase it. However the bug seems to happen only when using the TGP as the SPI controller, when using the FCR, the bug doesnāt exist. Interesting, I will fix it.
Regarding the number of Mavs u can release in a single pass, well using maximum range and medium speed (Mach ~0.7), I was able to fire 8 missiles on a tank column and still slice back at more than 6NM stand-off distance, and BTW thatās without my HOTAS plugged in (keyboard control :)) here is a vid (Currently low res, wait for it to process it should be 1200p):
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Im glad you found someā¦!
But, this isnĀ“t for my issueā¦
(This is with TGP on board, but *not activatedā¦)Please have again a look:
This is (with 4 AGM-65-D) the slip after the first shot and uncage (it was directly over the coloumn, of course)ā¦
And this is the slip after the seceond shot and uncageā¦
Sure, 2 miles is short (I couldnĀ“t get earlier a stable cross), but it doesnĀ“t matter if there are 4, 5, 2 milesā¦, after the second shot and uncaging #3 the slip gets *very huge.
Greeting
Earlybite
EDIT:
I had 3 hits! First time I really had three hits!
IĀ“m still excited<heavy breathing!=āā>, what was different?!
AFAIK I CZ FCRā¦
FCR -> GMT -> Markpoint -> CZ -> ICP 0 -> WEAPON page
The seeker stayed in the area over the coloumn!I will have further triesā¦
Greeting
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OK then probably we arenāt talking about the same āslipā
You can see in my vid above I fired 8 missiles in a single pass on a tank column.
Can you please take a video of what you are doing EXACTLY when you see this slip? because I think there is something here which doesnāt sounds right. Even the slip bug that I mentioned above is relatively small (although still annoying from system work POV) and in now way 1-2NM, your slip sounds more like some procedure done wrong.
If you use Markpoint and choose that markpoint as current then you MUST CZ before you intend to use the markpoint position, because otherwise the cursor will be positioned at the MKPT position + system deltas. Read the SPI section in the 3-4 again please for further reference about SPI and System deltas.
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Was your Mav- target cross flashing after lock and before you shoot?
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LSAnd not forgotten: Like I already posted, I didnāt know
But now I always have a look on thatā¦
Thank you sir!Greeting
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could it be that the Maverick power was on for too long a period, or that the video was on for too long?
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could it be that the Maverick power was on for too long a period, or that the video was on for too long?
Yes, Maverick power is limited like the real thing :rtfm:
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at this point I am 100% confident that there is a bug. I went by the book and did not miss one single step in Bore sighting the Maverick, and in fact hit some of the targets in TE with sunny weather including the AAA with radar. I watched the youtube presentation on that for many times, and everything is absolutely spic and span before firing the Maverick. Yet when I fire the Maverick I still get a miss. One miss and one hit both under exactly the same conditions no difference whatsoever. Are the Mavericks made to have a probabilistic hit and miss regardless of how they are set up?
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If someone asked me yesterday if excessive Maverick video on time was modeled in BMS I would have said no. So Iāll ask for it to be said clearly. Is there any actual difference in BMS between Maverick running for 5 minutes or 50?
Osmeen, hard to say without ACMI/video. The difference between a good and poor track are quite subtle. Iām a little concerned about all this boresighting talk as it has nothing to do with missile track quality.
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how may I make an ACMI/video?
once done with handoff process then Mavericks should hit 100% if fired under good conditions. Yet they still miss, in fact the cross keeps blinking and I cannot make it stop blinking even if the steering is made to keep the cross well within the ākeyholeā.
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The AVTR switch on the left console to ON. Itāll make a .vhs file (or many if you leave it on the default 20 MB setting) which are kinda big. Running them through Tacview shrinks it.
Shooting with a flashing pointing cross is a no-go. I think to the 30-30-30 rule, keyhole, that kind of thing. 30 degrees off bore, 30 degrees bank change since lock on, 30 degree per second roll rate.
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yes like I said the cross was well within the Maverickās limit yet it never stopped flashing. It kept flashing from 15nm to 1nm at an altitude of ~8000fts. Other times it stopped flashing and went steady but when fired juts fell like a rock
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Was it commanded to track and successfully track? The only real positive indicator Iāve found for the missile tracking is the BSGT label on the MFD. An unlocked Maverick looks indistinguishable from a locked one if one was to obscure just this very lablel.
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the four Mavericks were taken through handoff process perfectly. Then I turned off the power and flew to the target. At the target when I use the TG Pod for designation then I donāt need to go to the Maverick page because it is bore sighted, and the TG will handoff any designated target to the missile. I could also see the letter C above the selected missile which means boresight is complete. Yet when fired well within range the first ones must miss but the other ones will not. The flashing cross is another problem, it just keeps flashing no matter how I orient the plane. I really think this is an indication of a bug which is not surprising given how complicated Mavericks are meant to be in this update.
Edit: OK I found out that the miss and the flashing is related to altitude. I was at 3000 and the Maverick apparently needs to be pointed into the target, Maverick does not like to be fired like GBU in CCRP. I did the mission twice without a miss so that must have been it. AT 8000 it wordek
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Good job! Now, practice the procedure. Soon, muscle memory will be such that little thought will be required.
Then congratulate yourself for learning probably the most difficult weapon deployment the Sim requiresā¦
ā¦and squashing that invisible bugā¦You will appreciate launching at much higher altitudes, when you find yourself taking fire from AK-47s and man-pak missiles
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the four Mavericks were taken through handoff process perfectly. Then I turned off the power and flew to the target. At the target when I use the TG Pod for designation then I donāt need to go to the Maverick page because it is bore sighted, and the TG will handoff any designated target to the missile. I could also see the letter C above the selected missile which means boresight is complete. Yet when fired well within range the first ones must miss but the other ones will not. The flashing cross is another problem, it just keeps flashing no matter how I orient the plane. I really think this is an indication of a bug which is not surprising given how complicated Mavericks are meant to be in this update.
Edit: OK I found out that the miss and the flashing is related to altitude. I was at 3000 and the Maverick apparently needs to be pointed into the target, Maverick does not like to be fired like GBU in CCRP. I did the mission twice without a miss so that must have been it. AT 8000 it wordek
Altitude has NOTHING to do with anything, if everything is good and you still get a flashing cross then you simply need to move the FOV to NARROW. As a general rule, Mavs MUST be fired with the WPN screen in NARROW FOV, always.
Here is a vid I took not so long ago for some other āMaverick missingā thread, and you can see I hit 8 out of 8 in a single pass and even I was without my HOTAS connectedā¦ I did 3 cycles until I took the final vid and in all 3 cycles I got 8 out of 8 hits so there in no randomness of any kind here, maybe I should add some, Will seeā¦
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the above youtube obviously did not involve the handoff procedure so its not the same thing. With handoff you use the TG Pod to designate targets and do not even have to make the Mav page the SOI.