Mavericks LOS question
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After they have been boresighted, you will have already removed the dome covers. To do the boresighting.
Wasn’t sure if they were a part that jettisons, or an internal cover that that moves back into place when the head gets caged.
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They jettison…which is one of the reason why you pretty much never see MAV mounted on anything but single rails in RL. If you want to operate like reality, get used to carrying only two, and taking one shot per kill.
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…I’m still extremely skeptical about that actually working (one missile boresight used for the whole rack) in RL…REAL skeptical…
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…I’m still extremely skeptical about that actually working (one missile boresight used for the whole rack) in RL…REAL skeptical…
Don’t be skeptical We have gone through this before. Please lets not dwell on this.
On LAU-117s, boresight each launcher/missile.
On a LAU-88A/A, boresight only the priority missile on each launcher. The dome covers on other missiles must be retained for protection during priority missile
launch. The memory boresight feature provides a boresight reference for all missiles on the launcher. -
The missiles on the launcher have no misalignment for the LAU-88 then? What makes it special?
Mavericks are just in the do not fly list, anyway. Come back when they are finished being implemented.
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The missiles on the launcher have no misalignment for the LAU-88 then? What makes it special?
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Is that what I said ?
I’m sure you guys do have manuals that are 'floating" around (they should not of course). Have a read and them come defending your position with some evidence rather than guessing or assuming. -
On LAU-117s, boresight each launcher/missile.
On a LAU-88A/A, boresight only the priority missile on each launcher. The dome covers on other missiles must be retained for protection during priority missile
launch. The memory boresight feature provides a boresight reference for all missiles on the launcher.The missiles on the launcher have no misalignment for the LAU-88 then? What makes it special?
Is that what I said ?
I’m sure you guys do have manuals that are 'floating" around (they should not of course). Have a read and them come defending your position with some evidence rather than guessing or assuming.Well, it is what you said. Either there is no misalignment induced by mounting mavs to the LAU-88, and the misalignment comes only from mounting the LAU-88 to the 16S1700, or there is a misalignment induced by mounting mavs to the LAU-88, and the boresight is specific to each missile.
The former strikes me as unlikely, but Im certainly not in a position to verify it. I dont have a position to defend. But since you asked, the latter seems more likely.
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I can see it. Since the optics of the weapons are all aligned identically during manufacture boresighting a single missile on a rack of multiples gives the proper rack offset to the computer for all weapons on that mount. I’m just surprised there isn’t a pre-programmed standard offset input to the targeting computer when the weapons are loaded.
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Maddog, the mounting procedure for the maverick rack to the weapon pylon induces a variable, and thus unknown, offset. I was under the impression earlier that it was the mounting of the maverick to the rack that induced this misalignment - I have been assured the misalignment is between the rack and the pylon, meaning all missiles on the same rack share alignment.
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Well, it is what you said. Either there is no misalignment induced by mounting mavs to the LAU-88, and the misalignment comes only from mounting the LAU-88 to the 16S1700, or there is a misalignment induced by mounting mavs to the LAU-88, and the boresight is specific to each missile.
Or or oooooorrrrrr there is potential for misalignment at both interfaces and yet there is only one stored correction value per station. That’s also a possibility. Let’s assign it a probability, e.g. 100%.
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Don’t be skeptical We have gone through this before. Please lets not dwell on this.
On LAU-117s, boresight each launcher/missile.
On a LAU-88A/A, boresight only the priority missile on each launcher. The dome covers on other missiles must be retained for protection during priority missile
launch. The memory boresight feature provides a boresight reference for all missiles on the launcher.I know we’ve gone through it…and I still don’t believe you can boresight all of the missiles on one tri-rack using one missile. Because of things I know about the missile. Just flat not going to believe it…unless I see some RL shot video proving it.
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Maddog, the mounting procedure for the maverick rack to the weapon pylon induces a variable, and thus unknown, offset. I was under the impression earlier that it was the mounting of the maverick to the rack that induced this misalignment - I have been assured the misalignment is between the rack and the pylon, meaning all missiles on the same rack share alignment.
There is also the fact that each asset in the chain - the F-16, TGP, and MAV - all have their own referencing systems (each with it’s own error) that must be synched/aligned…and I have a hard time seeing that selecting one missile on a rack will power up all of the missiles on that rack in order to do so, and/or that all of the systems in each missile are “equal” in alignment…doesn’t make sense to me.
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I would have thought that the precision inherent in the very expensive racks mated to equally precise missile bodies (factory calibrated to optics) WOULD allow for one missile per rack to be sighted. Technically it should be feasible.
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I would have thought that the precision inherent in the very expensive racks mated to equally precise missile bodies (factory calibrated to optics) WOULD allow for one missile per rack to be sighted. Technically it should be feasible.
No - because if you’ve ever been close enough to a BRU to see how all of the racks attach, you’d know that the sway braces are screwed down manually - like set screws. This allows for inherent sway in the lock up…not to mention that the jet, rack, rails, etc. tend to bend and take sets as they age. And then we are also back to my previous - all missiles/nav platforms are not created equal. When you are talking optics and sightlines mrads over long distances make for large errors at range. So you have to manually boresight these systems - each at a time - for any assurance of accuracy. Period.
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Returning to the ground boresighting subject, I tried several times and had success only with the G versión.-
As all the original airbase objects could only be locked in area tracking mode, and in that mode I couldnt complete the procedure, I added some vehicles and tanks which could be point tracked and used them for the boresighting procedure.-
The procedure was completed as the C symbol appeared over both 4 and 6 hard point numbers, but once airborne and when attacking was intended, only the 4 hard point Mav remained synchronised between TGP and WPN, as when stepping to the 6 hard point, after taking care of rejecting the former target by entering DGFT mode, the Mav WPN display looked to a diferent place than the TGP, .
What I am doing wrong ?
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I tried a ground bore sighting of a pair of Ds and… you can do it but it’s buggy, weird, and difficult. The LOSs of the TGP and missiles glitch all over, don’t like to raise above the horizon, and have trouble locking known lockable objects. The TGP takes a million years to time out.
I even tried to do it on a friendly F-16. The system was seriously not having any of that. I don’t consider ground or air-to-air to be a serious capability. Any mission of any seriousness in BMS requires a planned airborne boresighting leg.
I think I see the problem. When you are boresighting the second station do not change master mode or reject target or anything. Leave the first missile tracking and don’t worry about it. Only when you’ve finished all boresighting change the master mode as needed.
This is my typical procedure:
1. EO PRE
2. TGP slew onto point object
3. TMS forward command point
4. DMS down to WPN SOI to interrupt ABC
5. Slew WPN LOS to target and command track
6. Verify TGP still tracking object
7. Select BSGT OSB
8. MSL STEP to change station
9. Slew second missile to object and command track
10. Verify TGP still tracking object
11. Select BSGT OSB
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Would be nice to be able to load mavericks without TGPs. And to boresight those mavericks.
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You should be able to do that with MAV G…sort of. But you shouldn’t need to because in that case you’d strictly be using the missile as your sensor. But, I suppose you could still do a NAV designation and boresight the missile to the HUD indication for that designation. In theory…