Seriously impressed!
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Pretty much the reason i sought out a cougar.
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So you’ve not spent any time setting up the sim yet. Expect 2-3 hours, depending on your setup or desires. It’ll get easier once you get used to where things are located in BMS.
I didnt download and try to fly the sim without doing anything else first. I went through a normal setup like any other game, graphics, keystrokes, etc. it took quite a bit of time to go through the key log. So no, I didn’t spend 5 hours setting up the system but I did spend time.
My key stroke editing didn’t work at all. I went back through it later and still couldn’t get the keystroke setup I wanted. So I will have to learn a new set of keystrokes. As for a complete setup, I understand things take time, trial and error, that kind of stuff. Although flares and chaff on the second trigger position is rather ingenious.
I look forward to reading everything I can. Although I’m not a computer programmer I’ll try to get into the locations I’ve been told to check out.
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I feel bad for being so condescending to the OP earlier in this thread. I honestly thought you were just being troll or just very disrespectful but now we have more information
I’m not in forums enough to understand what a troll is, however, Harry Potter comes to mind.
I have found out what trolling is now. Sorry about being confused, I couldn’t understand why I was being called Shrek.
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I went through the comments to my rant fairly quick the first time around but am reading them closer now. Thanks for telling me where to get the manuals I will need. I’m not sure how long your manuals are,m but I usually print out a chapter at a time so I can go back for quick reference.
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Long. And when you’re done, you wish they were longer.
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For some people what you list might as well be how to land on the moon. If they install and press first thing instant action and press the trigger on their joystick they expect bullets to come out the front. If it presses DMS down instead they think of the software as a failure.
That it might take you or me 5 minutes to do what is needed means nothing because it took us 5 years to learn what 5 minutes worth of things to do. If I sat down and watched you take BMS from an installer .zip to flying and I asked at every action “why did you do that?” “how did you know to do that?” and “why did you not do this?” it would fill a novel I’m sure.
Other flight sims like IL-2, FSX, DCS, etc. are not too different but just like us they are old too. Instead of thinking how an IL-2 player would approach BMS think how someone who has only played Overwatch or Assassin’s Creed before. They key controls were written on stone tables and given in a guided tutorial or possibly just plugged in an Xbox controller which was auto detected. Think about how many gamers have never changed a default keybinding in any game in their life. How does that prepare them for the open-ended “devise a control plan that selectively puts some of these 500 possible callbacks onto your controller”?
I told an 18 year old high school student who is in AP classes to “edit the .txt file” but they did not know what a file extension is. And how would they if Microsoft hides it by default the entire duration of their lifetime? In the same way I do not know how to nail a horseshoe onto a horse I respect that people are a product of their upbringing both in knowledge and expectations.
“May you will fly the first day, maybe not” and “You need to make a plan for how your controller will translate into the airplane controls” are going to be very new concepts for lots of people.
The more I read you , the more I disagree
Ok sorry I thought we were talking about simmers , not gamers.If people come here to complain because instant action does not work like Arcade mode of their iPhone plane game , sorry but they just landed at the wrong address.
Seeing the extreme level of complexity that BMS is all about , they way this is designed and set up is VERY easy , no serious simmer will say the opposite !
Did you ever try to built a TE in DCS ? Would you then tell me that BMS UI is so old that it makes things hard ?
That is all bullshit . Please don’t let the mediocrity of our current society spread into our sim world ,
NO, FLYING A F16 IS NOT PLUG AND PLAY , takes years to master in real , so should take years in sim as well.People need to realize that , instead of bitching about BMS design. this is not OUR fault if flying a f16 is more complex than assassin creed Xbox game.
There are plenty of plane games out there for this kind of audience , but please stop bitching at us because of those guys !!
Seeing the level of complexity of BMS , I would say the Design and simplicity of install and setup is amazing !!
PS : once again I never ever touched the keystroke , I will repeat it again and again and again , touching the keystroke is the biggest mistake that a newcomer may do !!! Amazingly this is the first thing they do . You are right here , we should change the UI design to prevent people from doing it.
NEVER TOUCH THE KEY-FILE WITHOUT HAVING A REAL GOOD REASON
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I didnt download and try to fly the sim without doing anything else first. I went through a normal setup like any other game, graphics, keystrokes, etc. it took quite a bit of time to go through the key log. So no, I didn’t spend 5 hours setting up the system but I did spend time.
My key stroke editing didn’t work at all. I went back through it later and still couldn’t get the keystroke setup I wanted. So I will have to learn a new set of keystrokes. As for a complete setup, I understand things take time, trial and error, that kind of stuff. Although flares and chaff on the second trigger position is rather ingenious.
I look forward to reading everything I can. Although I’m not a computer programmer I’ll try to get into the locations I’ve been told to check out.
Thanks IceBIG MISTAKE
First thing is to open MANUALS before even launching the simYou don’t event know how the countermeasure system works , what a DTC is or what CMS is all about and you complain about chaffs / flares on trigger.
NO , trial and error is NOT THE WAY TO GO , doing that in real would kill you.
If you really want to fly a f16 , take the Advice of a 30years experienced simmer : DIVE IN MANUALS first ,
we spent hundreds of hours to write them in a way a non engineer can read them (because in real , most of pilots have high degree of education…)
Second piece of advice , in case you missed it , NEVER EVER TOUCH THE KEYSTROKE , You really don’t need it !!!
Sorry if I sound harsh , but think about a real instructor would say if you jump in a f16 without reading the manuals and start trying reprogramming the f16 avionics because you don’t like the general dynamics Hotas setup !!!
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Can’t agree more.
that’s the reason why we like to say that this is not a game, but a sim
Contrary to a game, the sim needs a lot more of education and needs an audience that is more patient and willing to learn.
If you approach BMS with a gamer point of view, you will be disapointed and frustrated, because it’s simply not meant to be.
If on the other hand you approach BMs like a complicated sim where you will learn new things for the next two decades, then you will immensely enjoy the sim.but doing the second approach requires patience, dedication, will to learn and sacrifice.
this topic is very much an illustration of this.
A guy approach the sime just like any other game, gets frustrated and confused. Complain about it here. Gets a first troll reaction then luckily get explanations from the guy having been through that same route before.
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First thing they teach you in college now. “Google before you ask”.
The manual in BMS is there is for a reason. It’s actually very well written. Although BMS doesn’t have a step by step tutorial like DCS there are training manuals that take you step by step along the way. For sim you have to learn how to fly the plane correctly before jumping into the action. Best approach is to pretend that you are a real F-16 pilot in training. Do they let you jump into instant action and start shooting or do they make you understand how to fly the F-16 first?
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I think something is forgotten along the way. Spending hours, days, years to learn is what makes the simulator fun and satisfying. I liked to set my HOTAS to be a good compromise between reality and effectiveness. I liked to read, try, learn and fail because I have a feeling of self-progression, and most of all, the feeling there is a still a lot of room and time to improve. I’m not doing it because it is how the job is supposed to be done. I already have my lot of that every day. If “bad sides” are nothing more than “bad sides”, then I suppose we already all have our own to deal with.
If, or as soon as, BMS is not a source of enjoyment anymore, it should be let aside for some time. And certainly not be a pretext to yell at the team.
OP, taking this opportunity to suggest that you link your apologies on top of your very first post. New readers miss them, and they’re worth the read.
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Just in case you missed it
My “yelling” is not at all against the OP , how could he know without us telling him.
It was more against experienced BMS users saying that the OP was right and suggesting BMS design is shit because not usable by a arcade gamer.
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I wasn’t referring to you, in my sentence (and everywhere else) you are part of the team.
I wondered if you had read his apologies, but I concluded for myself that you had before posting. That was a while ago.
Just in case you missed it
My “yelling” is not at all against the OP , how could he know without us telling him.
It was more against experienced BMS users saying that the OP was right and suggesting BMS design is shit because not usable by a arcade gamer.
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Just in case you missed it
My “yelling” is not at all against the OP , how could he know without us telling him.
It was more against experienced BMS users saying that the OP was right and suggesting BMS design is shit because not usable by a arcade gamer.
Just incase I’m included directly or indirectly in that group, I certainly don’t think that any of BMS is shit
Apart from the FM though, that’s just gastly
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Just incase I’m included directly or indirectly in that group, I certainly don’t think that any of BMS is shit
Apart from the FM though, that’s just gastly
Fair enough , i will remove the 4.x physics engine and revert to microprose one
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Fair enough , i will remove the 4.x physics engine and revert to microprose one
Whilst we’re on the subject, can we use the one from the hidden excel flight sim? That felt so realistic to me, the BMS one is too bloaty…
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it’s not really everyone else’s fault that gaming has regressed around flight sims.
best you can do is resolutely point them in the right direction if they show up. maybe they’ll stick around, maybe they won’t.
falcon is the best “”“”“”“game”“”“”“” out there though, IMO. high skill ceiling, high knowledge requirement, high execution requirement, endless learning curve, absurd amount of content
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Thanks Rabbit, I’ve been watching some videos, and have started reading both the training, and the users manual.
My last tour as a Route Clearance Platoon Sergeant in Ramadi Iraq I thrived on the action while on missions. My particular mission was as CASEVAC, keeping the maneuver unit updated, sending the different mission reports to higher HQ, running 3 radios on 3-5 different freqs, operation of a Gyrocam, among other things. Being ADD I thrived on the controlled chaos, now I can’t watch tv and look at my iPad at the same time. I’m highly irritable, dealing with chronic PTS, take high doses of opiates, and deal with pain levels that never go below 5, listed as blind in my left eye, along with TBI.
Like I said in an earlier post, I’m not using this as an excuse. I haven’t completely learned to live with all this in the last 9 years, but have gotten better.So having complete SA in a 3D world is completely understood. Although I still get extremely frustrated. I have committed myself to learning this flight sim from Initial planning to the cold start on the apron, to landing after mission, hopefully in one piece.
I’m finding that pilots in this world are very helpful, and am curious about the printed manuals from Tiffy. Are they worth getting, or does the manual change often enough that it would be like one in the Army, constantly adding and removing pages.
If I can talk my wife into getting a 65"-70" tv, I get the 55" for my flight monitor.Is there a location I can get dimensions for some of the cockpit systems that you may be aware of?
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It was suggested to add my apology to the, ill advised, original post.
Default A humble apology
First of all I want to say that I did not intend to be rude or offend any of those who obviously worked for such a long time to get this program put together. I do have issues where my mouth starts moving before my mind kicks into gear. I was only putting my frustrations out.But I did say that I will take everyones advice. I’m not the ass my last comment made it sound like.
I assumed I was in dogfight mode due to the firing funnel that was showing.
I went through the setup along with the keystroke list. I wanted to make sure that I would be able to do the basics in Fighter Sweep, and Moving Mud. I have used both of those as training to understand how the real missions would go.I spent approximately 5 hours trying to get the the system set up, between not having the correct app, torrent, and the first .zip file I downloaded being corrupted, and the ever present “you must restart your computer for these changes to take efffect”. I do admit that there are so many more moving parts than I found to be in F4AFand I was expecting every thing to be the same.
When I went through the keystroke file, I did make changes that should have taken effect, and about a thousand more that I do not understand yet. As for doing my due diligence, I did read about the new system, I went through the FAQ’s, and read some of the forum that would apply to those like me that are new to this particular program. But no, I didn’t read the hundreds of pages that are with HMS.I owe, and am apologizing for my comments. I have earned the scorn of all the other users of the sim, this forum, and the developers.
I will not slink away from the approriate comments from each of you, but I do understand if you wish that I leave this forum. I will leave it to the members and moderators to decide what is appropriate.I do humbly apologize.
I did ask for and was given help earlier when I could not get the .zip file to download. The advice was exactly what I needed for that.
I am not using this as an excuse, but to let you know a small bit about me. I was injured in an IED blast in May 2007 in Ramadi, Iraq. My doctors recommended I do a new hobby, learn a new language, or anything else that would help the wires in my brain to reconnect, and start growing new pathways. I chose Falcon 4 because I had flown Falcon 3 a couple decades earlier. I have the book for F4AF, printed cheat sheets with the keystrokes listed, and I printed out chapters so I could carry them with me to read when my wife would be driving us somewhere. Mostly to learn about the flight characteristics, weapons, electronics, avionics, etc…maybe I didn’t do my due diligence on the new system, but I have read just about everything I could get my hands on for F4AF. My “issue” is that my short term memory is very short, I get frustrated very easily, and as I said earlier, my mouth starts moving before my brain starts thinking.
Now that you may understand a small bit about what caused my disrespectful rant, I will answer all questions put to me, and will listen to all advice I can get. I very much wanted an updated version of the game. I was “commissioned” in 2008, I flew as much as I could back then and was pleased when the next portions came out, and I was very pleased to find that there were those who wouldn’t let the community die out. After flying, working with the training modules, working on getting my HOTAS profiled I would be off on another project in life and would only fly a few times a month, and that was only the training exercises. But while away from flying I would lose what I had learned about flying. I would go through this type of yoyoing back and forth between flying and other things, and then needing to refresh myself.
Now that winter is approaching I have been looking for more inside stuff to do. I dusted off my flight controllers, dusted out my computer tower, and started flying again.I’m not sure where I first saw the video trailer for this sim, but I wanted to get it to see what is like to fly a more realistic set up.
And this is what leads up to my apology for being an idiot and an ass. Again I most humbly apologize.My equipment:
Saitek X52 HOTAS
Windows Home 7 Premium 64-bit OS with Intel Core 2 Quad CPU Q9300 @2.5 GHz
8GB RAM
My monitors are HP w1907, with the wide monitors I have had some issue with running video at the Monitors recommended resolution. I ran the res in F4AF at a 4:3 ratio, if I ran it any higher the screen would squish in and I had to be right up on the monitor to see anything, including the MFD’s
For video I installed NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 Ti.
Currently I have started using Mad Catz X52 Pro Flight profile editor.I think that covers every thing that was commented about.
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Sorry dmjohnsnx2, I’ll explain further. I thought of editing your first post with a link to your apologies post. People who want to know what you were on about will read the first post, and go straight to the last one without knowing you apologized.