Stop talking about flying online and get your butt airborne!
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I would love to fly online but I live about 25 miles northeast of Greeley Colorado.
There is no high speed internet out here. There is tumble weeds and phone lines,
THATāS IT. I am stuck with single player unless I move and as much as it pains me
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@Red:
but none of them believe they know more than their crew chief (non pilots btw)
Yeah back during WW2 time frame the crew chief knew a lot. Now they are glorified gas attendants. They gas the bird, they change the tires, the clean the canopy. If you want to know a lot about the engine you go to the engine troops. If you want to know a lot about the avionics you go to the avionics troops, etc. etc.
I never met a crew chief in 25 years in the USAF that knew more than a pilot about the aircraft.
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Hi Krause:
Love your videos and I am signed up over at the UOAF forums. I am one of those guys that said that I was going to brush up on some stuff and then Iād be back. And if I am the first to do so, then Iāll wear that distinction with honor.
The ONLY reason I said I would brush up on stuff before coming back was all UOAFs SOPs and Ideal Behaviors and Minimal Competency posts. UOAF wants those things from its flyers but does not provide any formal training to get their pilots to the level of competency hoped for. So, those of us that want to fly with you guys over there are getting mixed signals. Also ā and I get a good chuckle out of this ā is I have seen you get frustrated when someone blows a brevity call or fails at some sort of task. Which is great fun when I am watching someone else make a mistake, but when itās me I feel a bit guilty.
Anyway, as I said, but for UOAFs SOPs/Ideal Behavior/Minimal Competency/No Formal Familiarization-Training posts, Iād already be flying with UOAF members. But reading those, it occurred to me that I should brush up on a lot of that which I can do myself from the UOAF ideal behaviors post, and then see if I can get some informal flights with UOAF members and then Iād be ready for a guest spot in UOAF events.
Hereās Darkfiberās shortlist of things to strive for
I still donāt know how to do all missions competently. I suck at pop-ups. I havenāt even tried bad weather combat missions yet. I know very little about brevity. So does UOAF really want to fly with me āas isā? Probably not in events just yet according to UOAF forums, but probably according to your video here. I do think I am now ready for some informal co-op stuff and will be trying to get some informal training and flights in this week over at UOAF.
FWIW I am not intimidated by others being better than me. I think of people that are better than me as someone I can learn from, so thatās not the issue. I am simply interpreting the minimum/ideal requirements posted by UOAF and trying to figure out if I am ready to be a guest. I honestly donāt know because I think you are saying jump in now if you can fly to and from a target but the vibe I get from your action videos and the UOAF forums is that you do expect a bit more competency than that. Maybe a lot of the others that have said they would go practice and come back are also confused by the mixed signals? I donāt know. I just thought Iād point out that maybe part of the problem is the new guy, but maybe the other part of the problem isnāt the new guy but the information that is made available to him.
Everyone is welcome to fly in pickups! Events you should have some baseline of competency - pretty low standards compared to other VFS though, and we donāt have any āTests.ā
However I tried to not to make this video a recruitment video for my squadron - itās more of a general call to the guys who wonāt fly with others unless they are perfect from the get-go. However, itās not possible! Itās not even possible to be perfect years afterwards, and thousands of flight hours later!
Once new folks realize no one is expecting them to be gods - and that they will surely suck no matter how much prep they make, everyone can relax and enjoy themselves!
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aaandā¦ there is this third group of virtual pilots: those that simply havenāt got the time now to regularly attend online flying. I am talking about family guys mainly, busy working all week long and dedicating their week-ends to the kids and their wife (and another million things going on every single day -if you are one of those, you know what i mean ; )
those who would happily join a VFW rather than do single player, but just know that they will get to spend only a few nights per year doing so, feeling that they wonāt be able to progress within the VFW nor contribute much to it. but as this period of their life goes by, they will definitely sign up : )cheers
HiLok -
As one of those prime āas I get betterā people, I have to put in my 2pā¦
I donāt see whatās wrong with taking the learning pace at the speed you like. I could join a vfs now but Iāve elected to get more proficient at the basics first,at my own pace and where time allows.
Iām applying to viper drivers soon but I feel it as my duty to get up to some level of proficiency before I join.
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There may be dozens of reasons why someone would prefer to fly off-line. If a user doesnāt feel like joining a virtual squadron, it does not automatically mean he cannot fly the simulated Viper. Besides, whether an activity is fun or not is a matter of purely subjective personal preferences. Iām not going to question the benefits a dedicated flyer can get from flying on-line, but the main advantage of the single player simming is the fact that one can freely choose the time for flying and the amount of time devoted to it.
In my case itās not a matter of my proficiency level, and certainly not the language barrier, as I have reasons to believe my spoken English would be at least adequate for communication with my squadron mates. I simply am not the owner of the router via which I connect to the internet, and am not authorised to make any configuration adjustments that would most likely be required for on-line flying. -
A possible solution to invite new guys to MP might be to open a dedicated server which anyone can just hop in.
One of my friends is holding a dedicated free flight server for DCS_World.
As there is no specific mission anyone can join the server anytime they wish, Not so awkward to approach MP experience.
Some will notice the Host also has TS channel and he comes in. Now we have a new friend! -
@Red:
I know some guys who arenāt pilot but who know better about airplane than some pilots
You sir won the Darwin award today. lmao. Sir, your answer denotes an absolute ignorance of the āāReal Worldāā aviation :rofl:
So you are saying that a professionally formed pilot, with access to real world flying material (which is at least private if you are a flying with civies or confidential at most or secret if you are flying with the Air Forces) knows less than a āāvirtual video game playerāā (or simmer) who is having access to public limited documentation on internet ? :rofl:
So all the theory tests, lessons given by CFIs, Fliight tests given by accreditated examiners, Type Ratings Courses, and real flying hours are bullshitā¦ So i just need to look for disclosed and old documentation on the internet (with unverified sources and unhomologated by the local aviation authority) and pretend iām flying a real aircraft besides my screen to obtain a level of knowledge superior of a real pilot ? Wow. You should definitely make a one man show in Flying schools, Testing and evaluation squadrons in Airforces ! Iām sure youāll had the standing ovation you deserve :rofl::rofl::rofl:
You are an awesome being Sir, thanks for the good laugh i had this morning. You are absolutely fantastic. Keep dreaming, and dreaming big ! ā¦ nāimporte quoiā¦Btw if you are moderator, feel free to censor/delete my message if i offended you with a good dose of reality, itās ok if you are butthurtā¦
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You sir won the Darwin award today. lmao. Sir, your answer denotes an absolute ignorance of the āāReal Worldāā aviation :rofl:
So you are saying that a professionally formed pilot, with access to real world flying material (which is at least private if you are a flying with civies or confidential at most or secret if you are flying with the Air Forces) knows less than a āāvirtual video game playerāā (or simmer) who is having access to public limited documentation on internet ? :rofl:
So all the theory tests, lessons given by CFIs, Fliight tests given by accreditated examiners, Type Ratings Courses, and real flying hours are bullshitā¦ So i just need to look for disclosed and old documentation on the internet (with unverified sources and unhomologated by the local aviation authority) and pretend iām flying a real aircraft besides my screen to obtain a level of knowledge superior of a real pilot ? Wow. You should definitely make a one man show in Flying schools, Testing and evaluation squadrons in Airforces ! Iām sure youāll had the standing ovation you deserve :rofl::rofl::rofl:
You are an awesome being Sir, thanks for the good laugh i had this morning. You are absolutely fantastic. Keep dreaming, and dreaming big ! ā¦ nāimporte quoiā¦Btw if you are moderator, feel free to censor/delete my message if i offended you with a good dose of reality, itās ok if you are butthurtā¦
Wtf? Nope thatās not what he said at all. Where did he say that some āVPsā know more than real world pilots. He said non pilots. So obviously aeronautical engineers are gong to know more about the physics of flight than a pilot. GE engineers and designers are going to know FAR more about the viper than the pilots themselves.
You seem to have taken offence to one sentence and transformed what red dog has saidā¦
What do I know, Iām drunk in a Dutch barā¦
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You sir won the Darwin award today. lmao. Sir, your answer denotes an absolute ignorance of the āāReal Worldāā aviation :rofl:
So you are saying that a professionally formed pilot, with access to real world flying material (which is at least private if you are a flying with civies or confidential at most or secret if you are flying with the Air Forces) knows less than a āāvirtual video game playerāā (or simmer) who is having access to public limited documentation on internet ? :rofl:
So all the theory tests, lessons given by CFIs, Fliight tests given by accreditated examiners, Type Ratings Courses, and real flying hours are bullshitā¦ So i just need to look for disclosed and old documentation on the internet (with unverified sources and unhomologated by the local aviation authority) and pretend iām flying a real aircraft besides my screen to obtain a level of knowledge superior of a real pilot ? Wow. You should definitely make a one man show in Flying schools, Testing and evaluation squadrons in Airforces ! Iām sure youāll had the standing ovation you deserve :rofl::rofl::rofl:
You are an awesome being Sir, thanks for the good laugh i had this morning. You are absolutely fantastic. Keep dreaming, and dreaming big ! ā¦ nāimporte quoiā¦Btw if you are moderator, feel free to censor/delete my message if i offended you with a good dose of reality, itās ok if you are butthurtā¦
Those āsome guysā could very well be aerospace engineers who āknow more about planes than some pilotsā.
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He actually is a real life pilot.
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Theory can never beat Practical applicationā¦ Sorry, but engineers know how to engineer an aircraft, pilots knows how to fly an aicraft. thatās it. And Simmers can not beat a real world pilot, in any sort of theoritical or pratical knowledge, in any way of sort in aviation. Itās like making a statement telling that Call of Duty keyboard warriors can enlist at any time in the Navy Seals and can beat them at the rangeā¦ come onā¦:rofl:
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You seem to believe that people in responsible positions know everything.
Life will knock that assumption out of you.
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Theory can never beat Practical applicationā¦ Sorry, but engineers know how to engineer an aircraft, pilots knows how to fly an aicraft. thatās it. And Simmers can not beat a real world pilot, in any sort of theoritical or pratical knowledge, in any way of sort in aviation. Itās like making a statement telling that Call of Duty keyboard warriors can enlist at any time in the Navy Seals and can beat them at the rangeā¦ come onā¦:rofl:
None of that is what Reddog actually said.
Anything can be falsified if you take it out of context and/or misquote it.
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@Johhnypropeller,
World isnāt black or white, there are some grey areas. Your statement can be proven wrong or right depending on who you pick.
Letās leave the engineer issue aside, this a debate that goes on forever, where each side claims to know more than the other, have to deal with that at work every day, and it is nonsense. Both are complementary, period.
Now, in regards to your claim that a simmer will never exceed a real life pilot knowledge ā¦ā¦ like i said you can be proven wrong.
The things that, no real life pilot will ever admit that he got outsmarted by someone not being a pilot on a theoretical knowledge. Normally, a simmer can very well have the same theoretical knowledge as a pilot holding a PPL, but beyond that ā¦ i agree with you,you can forget it.
CPL, ME-IFR and ATPL are very demanding licences to get, but i know some simmers that have some of the knowledge, but where the line is drawn, is when it comes to actually being able to talk about it. Reading is one thing, doing it for real is another, and this is where the simmer needs to know his limits. Do not talk about something you never actually did ā¦because this is the best way to be considered as someone talking out of his a$$.
You can get access to IFR handbooks, get the knowledge, do the practical exams to test your knowledge, hop in your flight simulator, and shoot an ILS approach, and actually nail a CAT I approach, do a kiss landing and call yourself as knowledgeable as a Pilot ā¦ right ā¦
The thing is, how you do it. Do you actually know if you can shoot the approach regarding the weather ? did you do a briefing ? have you actually experienced a real glide slope or localizer ? they arenāt as stable as in your simulator ā¦ sometimes it isnāt that steady. Have you ever shot an approach with the glide slope suddenly going crazy and having the airplane follow the glide slope up because it is coupled on it with the auto-pilot ? And did you experience the passengers screaming ? In IMC ? ā¦and of course that day the thunderstorm is over your holding point.
Flying a simulator with realistic weather and having the turbulences rock your airplane is one thing, but does any simmer know how it is to fly around a freaking squall line at night, the airplane is tossed around so much that you have a hard time reading your instrument because your own head is shacking like hell ? the auto-pilot disengages because we hit severe turbulences ā¦ fly the plane in such conditions, and when you land, you are exhausted !! Especially when this is your fourth leg of the day !In those conditions, with your mental status, the fatigue, you sill need to be able to perform in cool and calm manner, like the guy behind his computer, who can at any time call it a day.
Difference here is that for a simmer, this is fun, for me it is no fun flying in bad weather at night over Nigeria ā¦ or hitting a bird on rotation. So the line has to be drawn somewhere, in which regards is a simmer as knowledgeable as a real life pilot ? ā¦ theory maybe, but, theory only backed up by no real life experience is well ā¦only theory, useful theory, but nothing you can relate to and say you did it. This is to me the biggest difference.
But, one should show respect, some simmer folks are very dedicated, know a lot, and are very driven by their passion. One thing simmers forget, when you do it for real, sometimes your passion becomes a job, on some days, because you are tired, or the guy on the ground screwed your schedule or some bozo decides that today you will depart late, passengers giving you birds names etc etc etc ā¦ sometimes you wish it was like in a simulator.
We are all simmers on this forum, did you guys ever got scared for your own life while flying in the sim ? ā¦
If you ever get scared for your life in a real plane or experience some emergencies, you will study the manuals in a different way, you will study weather in a different way, because you actually have seen it. But still, some simmers will be able to have more knowledge than you ā¦but on certain topics only.
It aināt funny every day up there.
NB: The simmers that actually do know a lot ā¦usually very well know that they can not compare to the real deal, because they have respect, respect for the profession, not the man in uniform.
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@Red:
ā¦. I know some guys who arenāt pilot but who know better about airplane than some pilots ā¦.
I donāt take that to mean flying procedure necessarily. But about systems and mechanical functionalities.
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Theory can never beat Practical applicationā¦ Sorry, but engineers know how to engineer an aircraft, pilots knows how to fly an aicraft. thatās it. And Simmers can not beat a real world pilot, in any sort of theoritical or pratical knowledge, in any way of sort in aviation. Itās like making a statement telling that Call of Duty keyboard warriors can enlist at any time in the Navy Seals and can beat them at the rangeā¦ come onā¦:rofl:
I donāt agree with everything youāre saying in itās entirety, I know the experience that Red Dog is speaking from and he is not saying what you are saying. If you know something, you know something and on the flip side of the coin, you donāt know what you donāt know. While obviously a real world pilot is in general going to be completely rounded in knowledge particularly when you get to CPL and ATP levels, that doesnāt make them better than anyone or all time superior in theory or practical knowledge. They are still human and hopefully a humble pilot (aviation and egos donāt mix), we never stop being student pilots, even after you receive your license. Remember the old saying your pilotās license is a license to learn? Same thing here my friend, never stop learning.
There are definitely examples where technically a sim pilot may know more than the real pilot and vice versa, I donāt think you can make it such a concrete distinction. Nobody is a master of everything, but you can get pretty close to it. There will always be something you donāt know, there will always be someone better than you, and to say that just because someone is a sim pilot vs a real pilot doesnāt mean that one is better than the other, they are both pursuing the same thing: more knowledge, more skill, and hopefully passion in what they do.
Another thing Iād like to mention, when youāre bringing these modern home flight sims into the equation, theyāre starting to get to a level of fidelity and reality that you actually can train to the same levels that our real world counterparts are reaching. Falcon BMS 4.33, P3D, and some of the latest releases of DCS are proving this. In our wing we study the books pretty extensively and for the most part we have found that the procedures in the book work surprisingly the same in the simulator. That is thanks in large part to the hard work and fidelity of the Falcon BMS team who no doubt either through their own experiences as pilots (both sim and real life), through consultation of experts as well as documentation over the years, have actually pushed this simulator to levels nearing where it could be argued to be at or near a āprofessional training simulator.ā You more or less have an extreme high accuracy flight model, a solid weather engine, even with all the gripes and moans a rock solid terrain and autogen system, good modeling of weapons, good modeling of avionics (not perfect or completely accurate to all Blocks, but still!) that allows you to become very proficient, simulate as much or as little as you want.
You brought up briefings as well, you can and we do absolutely brief/plan these flights to some pretty detailed levels, even details as small as aircraft performance (takeoff/landing speeds, climb speeds, enroute speeds), instrument procedures, air traffic control, airspace restrictions, ROE, and even more. It is absolutely endless what you can get out of this simulator, it ultimately what you get out of this simulator is up to one person: the end user. Some of us (in fact a lot of us) are real pilots on top of being sim pilots so we bring even more experience into the simulator, which pushes realism to even higher levels.
Finally food for thought: your expert pilot (the one that no sim pilot could challenge on knowledge or practical application) who is type rated will suddenly no longer be an expert anymore if he switches aircraft types and has to go through ground school all over again for that particular type rating. He never lost his skill or knowledge as it relates to airmanship, but he is definitely not an expert on the new type rating. The same can be said here, you can give me a 20,000 hour plus airline captain and I can absolutely promise you that he will have a hard time (at least initially) keeping up with a āCMRā pilot and flying the F-16 the way it is supposed to be flown. This is just like a type rating and if you want to master it, you better study it, donāt assume that a āreal pilotā will be able to outshine a āsim pilotā in this particular community, thatās a recipe for hurt feelings of inadequacy I promise.
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