Ff you could have one thing in the next update it would be…
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So is the PT highly classified?
And usually MFD drawings are not classified at all.
Even MFD page on Hornet related with JDAM GPS encryption is unclassified.If he lives in USA, has such documents and he’s not Viper driver he’s already in trouble. So… What’s the difference?
It wouldn’t matter if Dee-Jay was a German Pilot flying Hercules’ or even just a bloke from Lithuania with no military background at all … BMS would still be in trouble (as would he) if he published any Restricted Documents here. That’s why the forum rules (you have read those?) say you can publish or link to any document with a security clearance greater than “Unclassified”. The Forum Rules
From what I recall BMS is international team with various contributors from various nations. So… There is no reason why it would fall under US law… It’s distributed by torrent so it’s not downloaded from US server.
You can already view Area51 on Google maps and nobody has forced creators of Google to sit on electric chair
You can look at something that was restricted even for Skylab US space station program astronauts. They were told that they are not allowed to photo this place.There are very few countries that having Restricted Documents for the F-16 (or any other US aircraft) and publishing them online will not result in your getting into some serious trouble. Start using/spreading them via BMS and that would be the end of BMS.
So just don’t do it!
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It wouldn’t be the end of BMS.
It’s impossible to remove torrent as it’s P2P. You would need to destroy whole internet to prevent it from spreading.And MFD pages as I said before are usually unclassified.
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It wouldn’t be the end of BMS.
It’s impossible to remove torrent as it’s P2P. You would need to destroy whole internet to prevent it from spreading.And MFD pages as I said before are usually unclassified.
Yes but even as freeware and non profit, they can be legally told to stop work and distribution. Do you not remember what happened with OpenFalcon? The agreement between BMS and Tommo was frankly a life saver for this community.
Data for HTS is very different to data for MFD screens. Ever wonder why it is only the US that use the HTS? They’re not in any hurry to make data public on how the US detects and ‘decodes’ threat RF signals; as soon as they release that data, the enemy force can just ‘patch’ it out of their tech. Using very broad and simplified terms here. It’s the same way that ECM is highly classified too.
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First of all I said that it’s international effort so there is nobody who can tell them to stop working.
They can tell a particular contributor from US to stop working but not the team.
And in Europe reverse engineering is legal now, no matters what licence agreement states: http://www.worldcadaccess.com/blog/2012/05/eu-court-legalizes-reverse-engineering-of-software.htmlFurthermore, the court said that reverse engineers do not need the permission of software owners, and can ignore terms of the license agreements that might prohibit reverse engineering.
And I am not asking for the RF frequencies known by US but for description on how PT works and for MFD drawings.
He could send me PM, I won’t tell anybody.
And it’s not possible to stop distribution by torrent. They can tell you various thing but those will be just words of crazy guys living in fantasy world where one guy can destroy whole internet with one word.
Torrents are not a server based downloads so they cannot just seize server. They not even have law that would make it possible because peers may be outside their country so outside of their law.
say you can publish or link to any document with a security clearance greater than “Unclassified”
Law of my country do not even requires me to know what secret or classified means
So for me everything is unclassified, as I am not American so classified things nor electric chairs bothers me…But I say again that data I asking for are probably (U) and not (S) as MFD pictures are not RF data.
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So is the PT highly classified?
And usually MFD drawings are not classified at all.
Even MFD page on Hornet related with JDAM GPS encryption is unclassified.If he lives in USA, has such documents and he’s not Viper driver he’s already in trouble. So… What’s the difference?
From what I recall BMS is international team with various contributors from various nations. So… There is no reason why it would fall under US law… It’s distributed by torrent so it’s not downloaded from US server.
You can already view Area51 on Google maps and nobody has forced creators of Google to sit on electric chair
You can look at something that was restricted even for Skylab US space station program astronauts. They were told that they are not allowed to photo this place.It is not only about US rules … It is maybe time for you to read again Forum rules : https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/misc.php?do=vsarules
I am not US citizen, but some BMS members are … and it doesn’t change anything anyway even if we had no US citizen at all, it is a matter of common sense.
It wouldn’t be the end of BMS.
You think.
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Those are classified things for US guys.
For others this single word is just a word… Just like word on Chinese tools package that says they are “professional” product
As a DJ you probably seen cheap Chinese microphones labelled “professional microphone”. This doesn’t means that they are as good a Shure microphones Maybe they are professional for Chinese but not for others…
That’s what I think about it.But can you confirm that particular MFD screens are classified (labelled as S or TS or so)?
And is there other way to get them without violating forum rules? What to type in Google? Any particular document designation/number?
Not even need for links in today’s world, just need anything that would identify it.If you have them Russians probably got them long time ago.
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Those are classified things for US guys… That’s what I think about it.
It doesn’t matter what you think about it, the law sees things differently, is very clear and so are our rules on the subject.
And is there other way to get them without violating forum rules?
No, so please stop asking.
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This is getting a bit off topic now macieksoft from forum rules
2. Copyrighted/Classified Material: Posting of content which is classified in any manner such as FOUO (for official use only), export controlled, or contains any corporate, or government classification more restrictive than “unclassified”, and/or is wholly or partially the intellectual property of another organization or individual will result in the content being removed, and will result in a ban for any user who posts such material.
doesn’t matter if it is US, Europe or any others if it don’t fall in the above its not allowed
it is pretty clear no ?
carrying on saying yeah but no but wont get the rules changed and would prob rub other users the wrong way
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So keep on buying those “professional” tools for 5 bucks just because they have written on the box that they are “professional” and every Chineese in the world says that they are
Beliving everything everybody writes is a bad thing, even when the guy who written it is working for US goverment.In Poland we say that “point of view is based on where you sit”.
And i’d like you to read my posts again.
I am asking about MFD pages screens and nobody who have them already confirmed that they are classified. Dee-Jay still not even confirmed he have them. So whats the point in discussing law and forum rules when we don’t even know if the thing we talking about exists? I mean MFD drawingsJDAM MFD drawings for Hornet are unclassified. Even those related with GPS encryption. So when Hornet MFD drawings related with encryption are (U), why you think that Viper MFD drawings related with HTS would be classified?
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hi macieksoft
nobody who have them already confirmed that they are classified
And nobody has said they are NOT
In Poland we say that “point of view is based on where you sit”.
That’s great but were not all in Poland this is multi-national and multi-cultural forum lets put it to rest move on and ask other questions or help with the Sim
this MFD question has been answered by others and the reason why you didnt get your answer let it be !!!
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I think you have misunderstood some things on this sport…
I am asking about MFD pages screens
Who exactly told you that these are not classified, or these are available publicly somewhere? Let me give you an example. You leave in Poland, so you have an ecm suite named AIDEWS, a DB-110 recce pod, and the AGM-158 JASSM missile. Do you have any manuals or documents describing usage of these systems, layouts, and MFD screens setups? Nop you don’t…
JDAM MFD drawings for Hornet are unclassified. Even those related with GPS encryption. So when Hornet MFD drawings related with encryption are (U), why you think that Viper MFD drawings related with HTS would be classified?
This logic is not valid IMHO… BTW by the term “unclassified” means for military operators and specific services, not for common civilians and public availability.
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Dee-Jay still not even confirmed he have them.
Mainly because I have nothing do add.
Period.
Let’s enjoy this extract from Top Gun :
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So keep on buying those “professional” tools for 5 bucks just because they have written on the box that they are “professional” and every Chineese in the world says that they are
Beliving everything everybody writes is a bad thing, even when the guy who written it is working for US goverment.In Poland we say that “point of view is based on where you sit”.
And i’d like you to read my posts again.
I am asking about MFD pages screens and nobody who have them already confirmed that they are classified. Dee-Jay still not even confirmed he have them. So whats the point in discussing law and forum rules when we don’t even know if the thing we talking about exists? I mean MFD drawingsJDAM MFD drawings for Hornet are unclassified. Even those related with GPS encryption. So when Hornet MFD drawings related with encryption are (U), why you think that Viper MFD drawings related with HTS would be classified?
First of all, different services have different policies for each document. If the Navy wants to make a particular MFD page open to the public, up to them, but the USAF may not share the same approach.
Then : Unclassified do not mean open to public distribution. If a thing is unclassified but marked as “DOD only”, a military guy wont get to jail for sharing/distributing it, but definitely get administrative sanctions and a stain on his/her career. If a member of this forum, hypothetically, had access to such pages, that means a US or NATO service member leaked that document, thus breaking the law (if those pages are CONFIDENTIAL/SECRET) or risking administrative sanctions (for a “DOD only” or equivalent page). Then the document may find its way onto other people who are not under the same law and may want to post here. But the fact that the poster himself is not in legal trouble is irrelevant : allowing those people to post means encouraging/helping service members to compromise documents. And we are NOT going to do that. End of discussion.
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So keep on buying those “professional” tools for 5 bucks just because they have written on the box that they are “professional” and every Chineese in the world says that they are
Beliving everything everybody writes is a bad thing, even when the guy who written it is working for US goverment.In Poland we say that “point of view is based on where you sit”.
And i’d like you to read my posts again.
I am asking about MFD pages screens and nobody who have them already confirmed that they are classified. Dee-Jay still not even confirmed he have them. So whats the point in discussing law and forum rules when we don’t even know if the thing we talking about exists? I mean MFD drawingsJDAM MFD drawings for Hornet are unclassified. Even those related with GPS encryption. So when Hornet MFD drawings related with encryption are (U), why you think that Viper MFD drawings related with HTS would be classified?
Just a word of caution sir. If you continue to push this, I see a vacation for you on the horizon.
As Crusader has already pointed out (and quite well I might add) that just because it is on some pirate server somewhere, does not mean it is “ok to post it”. Too many leakers have caused enough problems. Don’t need to host any more new leaker crap that we have no need to know about in the first place. BMS will “simulate” any grey areas. That means IF they decide to model something (like the F-35 for example) it would be a “best guess” or “educated guess” as to how it will operate in the sim. Will it be 100% accurate? NOPE. Most of the stuff I see in BMS is not 100% accurate anyway, but it is close. In fact, it CAN"T BE 100% ACCURATE. No one has the actual data needed for 100% accuracy. So, 70% accurate, I can live with that, but we don’t know how accurate BMS is. But I can tell you that it is not 100%, and it never will be.
I feel that the devs have been extra lenient with you. But I wouldn’t push it if I were you.
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Hey, I just got a hold of some declassified info on HUDs. Here ya go…
http://imageshack.com/a/img922/2842/E8w3Z5.jpg
Also I got some great IP stuff here…
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In Poland we say that “point of view is based on where you sit”.
…I’m keeping this one.
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the HTS is touchy because of ether physics, and like many point out, the radioactive side of things.
I was thinking, how hard would a HUD only view that worked with trackIR be?
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the HTS is touchy because of ether physics, and like many point out, the radioactive side of things.
I was thinking, how hard would a HUD only view that worked with trackIR be?
Pretty sure that’s been done…because that’s what you need if you’re building a cockpit. I have a little utility stashed called “Set HUD Only” that I’m pretty sure does that.
OTOH, I’m building a cockpit with a working HUD…so I don’t want a HUD or anything but OTW. Which can be done too…