Flightstick recommendations
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I’m more interested in flying than in fiddling with electronics I always used to buy wired headsets as well since I used a wired TrackClip Pro but since getting a Vive, I’ve been wanting to get a wireless headset…. thanks to the wireless UTC device, it made more sense to buy a wireless headset now. Nothing like being able to still be on comms as I go get a drink or go to the…
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…certain fighter…er…excuse me - ATTACK pilots - used to like to tell me “I got more time sittin’ in that seat than you got on the…”.
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Last thing I want in my cockpit is 6 DOF…I consider it a cheat.
I can understand using the mouse wheel for zoom, but how is 6DOF a cheat. Please explain.
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I can understand using the mouse wheel for zoom, but how is 6DOF a cheat. Please explain.
Zoom is a cheat - as I understand set up, some people use translation in X to control zoom under 6 DOF. You can’t zoom in RL, and if you can’t do it in RL I don’t want it. As for the rotational axes, I don’t see why you need a rotation in X or Y…you just tilt your head wrt the screen.
But my main kick is that devices like TIR shorten your natural FOR by training you to move your head in an unnatural manner…similar having an off-calibration on a stick. Not interested in that in any way, YMMV. I may be open to using rotation in Y in order to provide up-look in my OTW setup…which will be a compromise, but I’m strictly only interested in that 1-DOF solution. And even then, I may turn it inside-out and build a tall screen set and a moving projector platform that tracks my head in elevation…I’m actually leaning more to this solution. It will all depend on how much room I end up having to work with - a 270 degree surround is easy, overhead OTW is hard.
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Zoom is a cheat - as I understand set up, some people use translation in X to control zoom under 6 DOF. You can’t zoom in RL, and if you can’t do it in RL I don’t want it. As for the rotational axes, I don’t see why you need a rotation in X or Y…you just tilt your head wrt the screen.
If you mean this, then I agree 100 percent. I used to feel the same way too about the L key zoom function, and wouldn’t use it, but as time has gone by I’ve come to accept others use it and I’m leaving myself at a disadvantage by not using it too. TIR and head-tracking, like most things in life, is a compromise - it’s the best solution available to us who sit in front of a single screen, so I say make the best of what’s available.
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Tilt adds to the immersion and naturalist head movement. Without it is like a robot moving to XY.
I also agree that out of the pit zoom is a chest.Στάλθηκε από το MI 5 μου χρησιμοποιώντας Tapatalk
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This is offtopic, but i don’t think zoom is a cheat, it’s rather a compromise. RL vision and 2d moving picture on a screen are completely different beasts, especially in that other flight sim spotting is not what it should be. Also you can disable zoom and just have your natural 6dof movement in the cockpit, so you can lean into instruments and so on.
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In some extent yes zoom out of the pit is as u say. But having the honey jar open drives y to jump in.
So zooming to the point the target takes the whole screen.
In real the pilot doesn’t zoom.
The difference to real is minimal when things are close by. In my case for example the HUD is as large as is in real, so the rest are about the same in close by, far ones are scaled so…For far objects is the issue, in real for far object the pilot uses the sensors and instruments not the eyes on the target.
So the compromise to just have a pick closer to what it is, is just personal satisfaction I believe.Στάλθηκε από το MI 5 μου χρησιμοποιώντας Tapatalk
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If you mean this, then I agree 100 percent. I used to feel the same way too about the L key zoom function, and wouldn’t use it, but as time has gone by I’ve come to accept others use it and I’m leaving myself at a disadvantage by not using it too. TIR and head-tracking, like most things in life, is a compromise - it’s the best solution available to us who sit in front of a single screen, so I say make the best of what’s available.
Yes - that’s what I don’t like. Agreed…it’s all a compromise, and a personal choice. What I hope is that once my own cockpit is complete that I can find a VFW/VFS that shares my resistance to such…if not I may have to start one of my own. Or fly solo. There’s a lot to lean simply flying solo.
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This is offtopic, but i don’t think zoom is a cheat, it’s rather a compromise. RL vision and 2d moving picture on a screen are completely different beasts, especially in that other flight sim spotting is not what it should be. Also you can disable zoom and just have your natural 6dof movement in the cockpit, so you can lean into instruments and so on.
Zoom really is a cheat. It enhances vision in a non-organic manner…there is a technique for looking at the 2D screen and seeing depth - and that has to be learned, starting with flying to numbers and then re-learning to see as you go. I don’t need the 6 DOF…as long as the screen is large. But even if it isn’t I don’t want to train to it.
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Well for the price difference and all, I was looking at the ED Tracker but the TrackHat Clip wasn’t really so much more expensive and it does offer 6 DOF. Yes it uses a modified PS3 camera but it works very well for me and you can very easily disable any axis you don’t need. I have roll disabled because that just really makes me sick otherwise but I do like the ability to shift my head to the left so that I can look around the middle cockpit onto my FCR (left MFD) and then lean forward to “zoom in” and look closer.
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I’ll be doing that with my EDTracker…but what I REALLY want is one of these -
https://www.vuzix.com/Products/m3000-smart-glasses
At least, it’s another dream I have…I have visions of using it for a JHMCS reticle. Still waiting on it to come to market.
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Zoom really is a cheat. It enhances vision in a non-organic manner…there is a technique for looking at the 2D screen and seeing depth - and that has to be learned, starting with flying to numbers and then re-learning to see as you go. I don’t need the 6 DOF…as long as the screen is large. But even if it isn’t I don’t want to train to it.
You better tell this Eagle Driver that he’s cheating then
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Well, I’m not using FOV on Z axis, so this goes back to zoom being what you consider a cheat. Please understand that 6DOF is not a cheat, it’s something you don’t like, but it simulates (key word) head movements and those of us who have smaller screens than you can afford make do with it.
Calling it a cheat is saying that anyone using TrackIR is a cheater, and that just isn’t so.
$0.02
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…heh…I’d like to see him actually prefer to USE that in a fight. Especially seeing that he has the zoom on his Litening/Sniper pod to use.
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For me, anybody with 20/20 or better vision is cheating.
See how silly that sounds to whine about what others have?
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On the subject . . . if i want the best HOTAS combo (the price is not the issue), is the warthog is answer ?
I only play Falcon BMS and i would like to know if there is compabillity issues, etc. -
Zoom really is a cheat. It enhances vision in a non-organic manner…there is a technique for looking at the 2D screen and seeing depth - and that has to be learned, starting with flying to numbers and then re-learning to see as you go. I don’t need the 6 DOF…as long as the screen is large. But even if it isn’t I don’t want to train to it.
I once got an idea about this
https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3022334&postcount=352
https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3027129&postcount=367
and why485 kindly made a demo.
https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3027085&postcount=366
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On the subject . . . if i want the best HOTAS combo (the price is not the issue), is the warthog is answer ?
I only play Falcon BMS and i would like to know if there is compabillity issues, etc.The Warthog is a great stick and throttle. I fly BMS “casually” on my own and DCS (A-10C) with an online virtual wing.
The Warthog is basically the F-16 stick and an F-15 throttle I believe, which is what’s used in the A-10. The throttle can be set up to approximate the HOTAS functionality of the Viper pretty well, but it won’t be 100%. In particular the antenna elevation/ TGP zoom: I use china hat for antenna elevation and the tension wheel (or whatever its called- on the right side of the throttle section) for TGP zoom. I’m pretty sure you can set up the afterburner detent too, but I haven’t done that because i also the A-10.
(I do recommend a stick extension too. I use a 10cm extension, and it adds a lot of feel and accuracy.)
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Sorry for the de-rail, I actually thought I was posting in a different thread…https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?29917-EDTracker-in-use-for-BMS-4-33&p=440401&viewfull=1#post440401
I have been busy lately and haven’t been spending much time on the forums…or in the sim for that matter.
Anyway, on the topic, I love the Cougar flying the F-16, but would probably like to have the Warthog for flying other jets with 2 engines. I often thought about the extra switches the Hog throttle has and how handy that would be for some of the left side controls in the Viper, but $$$$.