True stick orientation?
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Been there man
That thread got pretty interesting and full of good info (and some missinfo), to cut it short I tell you that the conclusion I reached is what they have already told you here: The stick is not rotated, the internal sensors are, 12 degrees to the right
So in my own cockpit I mounted the stick straight forward and easily rotated the axes 12 degrees with TARGET:
To be honest, I did it just to have it āmore realā and I can see the ergonomics behind it, but you can fly fine without the rotation and it took me time to get use to it to the point that was difficult to make a perfect level turn.
Cheers
Tulkas
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So in my own cockpit I mounted the stick straight forward and easily rotated the axes 12 degrees with TARGET:
hmmm that is the best solution for the 12deg i believeā¦
I believe this is doable and with CCP or Foxy???
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ā¦and I think Arendās FCC3 WH (and maybe the base one as well?) can also allow for such in software?
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Thank you for the info guys! I think this answers it for the rotation ā- stick is facing straight but input/sensors are rotated 12 degreesā¦
Now for the tiltā¦ Stevieās drawing perfectly explains what I am trying to ask: If the console is tilted 6 degrees and the SSC box is just a normal ābox,ā then it is also tilted 6 degrees, and if the connector gives a 15 degree forward tilt, in reality it is only tilting the stick 9 degrees, correct?
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ā¦sounds like you go the math right to me.
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Thanks Stevie!
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hmmm that is the best solution for the 12deg i believeā¦
I believe this is doable and with CCP or Foxy???
Wondering the same with Foxy, I havenāt been using foxy for a long long time. I donāt remember seeing CCP have this option. With TARGET it is definitly doable.
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Not possible with CCP Iāll check to be sure but Iām almost positive that its not possible in Foxy either.
Dave -
Wondering the same with Foxy, I havenāt been using foxy for a long long time. I donāt remember seeing CCP have this option. With TARGET it is definitly doable.
Hey,
You gents do understand that the stick has no 12 deg rotation and also the force is NOT rotated.
When you pull the stick straight backwards with your arm in the armrest, that is the direction of the pitch axis.
The rotation of the sensor does not mean that this is what the pitch axis is rotated. Its not.Just build in your stick straight and let the axis be as it is. Than you are spot on.
I have plenty of time in real F-16 sims and had multiple F-16 pilots fly in my own build pit to verify this.Gr Falcas
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Hey,
You gents do understand that the stick has no 12 deg rotation and also the force is NOT rotated.
When you pull the stick straight backwards with your arm in the armrest, that is the direction of the pitch axis.
The rotation of the sensor does not mean that this is what the pitch axis is rotated. Its not.Just build in your stick straight and let the axis be as it is. Than you are spot on.
I have plenty of time in real F-16 sims and had multiple F-16 pilots fly in my own build pit to verify this.Gr Falcas
Great clarification Falcas.
So all that fusss - writting - reading - posting - linking - headbunging just for nothing.
[emoji38] we r all pathetic. :rofl:
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Aerotronics LLC might be misunderstanding about RL F-16 SSC?
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Hmā¦ After reading what Tulkas and Falcas said, I am greatly confused.
I can understand the stick facing forward, I can feel the ergonomics there. It just feel comfortable, with any other angle either my wrist is twisted or some hat switches being hard to reach. I think it is just a coincidence that it faces forward, if it is ergonomical to put it in other angles, theyād probably do it.
I can also understand why the sensor might be rotated. When we pull, we pull along the direction of out forearm. That is natural and ergonomical. If the stick is in a position that cause your forearm to be at an angle relative to the planeās, rotating the sensor is sensible.
I can make sense of those two factors above. Itās like how some ergonomics mouse seems to have their ālong axisā being ā¦ āoffā, it feels comfortable to hold that way. When you push or pull, along the direction of your forearm and not the ālong axisā, the cursor moves straight up and down, because the sensor is aligned with the axis of your forearm.
Stick facing straight forward is what Tulkas and Falcas agrees. But what does Falcas mean when he say āforces are not rotatedā? Does he means the force exerted through our arm? Or does he means the sensor is not rotated? the link by chihirobelmo seems to agree with Tulkas.
Sorry if my question is somewhat directed. I donāt know why this would suddenly border me so much, I just have an urge to make sense of this, even though I am happy with where I put my stick now. I donāt have a cockpit, and I am pretty sure there are two women (my mum and girlfriend) would want to splash me with a fox two (close range slap) if I ever have a thought of building one. It is just on a stool next to my office chair with arm rests removed, so F-16 ergonomics could never be applied.
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Do you understand how HOTAS Cougar works in our SIM Falcon BMS?
How do you place the stick? Facing forward.
The same is as in real.
The rest are mambo jambo technical and placement. No need to actually bother.The manufacturer for his crazy need turned the sensor then the software must translate all this. Obvious reason? Block 3d party manufacturers to create cheaper replacement parts. SO when a stick goes offā¦ the company laughs to itās ears saying come to papaā¦
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I donāt think the stick has always been oriented the way it is in later Blocks or currentlyā¦I once had a former F-16 driver tell me that just about every pilot he has instructed (that is transitioning from a center stick) will land an F-16 leaning to one wingtip down on their first try - and I forget if it was the left or right wing, but itās always the same one. I think the funky rotation and electronics is/are an attempt to counter that tendency ergonomically over the years.
But Iāll go with Arty - unless you are building a full-on replica cockpit it really doesnāt matterā¦as long as the geometry is comfortable to/for you and your setup.
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Thanks Arty and Stevie, thanks for the clarification. Itās good to know some of the reasons for that Now I can sleep easier:)