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If you use, or know of the Discord app, join us in the Falcon Lounge. Many folks always discussing BMS and pick up flights/training…
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If you are new to Falcon, then I suggest to start slow and learn first to fly the F-16. Take-off, Landing, Navigation, cockpit systems, avionics etc
Then after that is done, start to study combat systems, Radar, TGP
Then move to weapons, start with AA weapons - Guns, Heat-seekers, Radar missileExcellent advice!
I would even go so far as to suggest its good advice even if you are not new to Falcon. You can always improve handling skills, and they complement everything else in the aircraft. When you can get the same precision with focus as you can without focus, when the conscious mind is not a benefit to the operation, then you can focus the conscious mind entirely on the complicated stuff, something that makes the complicated stuff so much easier to grasp.
Or in other words: Its easier to fly an intercept if turning the aircraft is not something you have to stop and think about.
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Sometimes I wonder what happened to our reading habits. I remember that as a young Falconeer (At maybe 2003-4) when new patches were released, I was excited to read the manuals (I used to print them, I swear I still remember some pages of the SP3/SP4 manuals :)), so most of the times I even read them a couple of times before trying to test the changes or learn a new system.
Today, that I’m writing parts of those manuals (Well at least for 4.33, I wrote some of the new A-G sections), but seems like reading today is only second to YT tutorials and such :shock: :mrgreen:
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but seems like reading today is only second to YT tutorials and such :shock: :mrgreen:
… even if one must admit that videos might also be some great supports to show something hard to explain by text (Rejoin, Close formation position for instance).
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Sometimes I wonder what happened to our reading habits. I remember that as a young Falconeer (At maybe 2003-4) when new patches were released, I was excited to read the manuals (I used to print them, I swear I still remember some pages of the SP3/SP4 manuals :)), so most of the times I even read them a couple of times before trying to test the changes or learn a new system.
HAHA!! I still have all those manuals printed out, although they’re in storage now. SP/RP series and more. Anything that was available in the FrugalsWorld Document repository I had printed, and that was a LOT of stuff!!!
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Sometimes I wonder what happened to our reading habits. I remember that as a young Falconeer (At maybe 2003-4) when new patches were released, I was excited to read the manuals (I used to print them, I swear I still remember some pages of the SP3/SP4 manuals :)), so most of the times I even read them a couple of times before trying to test the changes or learn a new system.
Today, that I’m writing parts of those manuals (Well at least for 4.33, I wrote some of the new A-G sections), but seems like reading today is only second to YT tutorials and such :shock: :mrgreen:
No worries, its called progress :eek: Learning by seeing, learning by doing, learning by reading at the same time is simply quicker/more enjoyable for some (like me). That doesn’t take anything away from the manual… It’s the go-to place for everyone after doing the tutorials, while the training manual is the very basis of yt-tutorials in the first place.
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Sometimes I wonder what happened to our reading habits. I remember that as a young Falconeer (At maybe 2003-4) when new patches were released, I was excited to read the manuals (I used to print them, I swear I still remember some pages of the SP3/SP4 manuals :)), so most of the times I even read them a couple of times before trying to test the changes or learn a new system.
Today, that I’m writing parts of those manuals (Well at least for 4.33, I wrote some of the new A-G sections), but seems like reading today is only second to YT tutorials and such :shock: :mrgreen:
I-Hawk i admit youre right i became lazy with age (45) and looking for a short cut so i can get to the fight quick and survive , so even though i am not new to Falcon i only printed and read some of the weapon deployment pages in order to get to the shooting/killing parts .
I agree with Blu3wolf and you that its time to learn the basics properly but with work kids wife and all its just been delayed over the years so now with the combination of a new HOTAS and new version its all kicking me in the face , thats where the frustration comes from -
Then may I recommend taking the same method used for educating real pilots? Break it down into manageable chunks. You dont eat an elephant in one bite, you cant learn to fly a jet fighter (well) in a single night.
If you need a pointer in that direction, I would suggest starting out with aircraft handling. Page 239 of the pdf in your install, F-16 COMBAT AIRCRAFT FUNDAMENTALS - Multi-Command Handbook 11-F16 Vol5.pdf
The Horn Awareness and Recovery Training Series exercises, HARTS, are very worthwhile IMO. Drill it until you can do it well - then go back, re-read the instructions, and work it over again. If you get too tired of it, move onto the aerobatics sections, then come back to the HARTS stuff.
If you get to the point where you figure there isnt room for improvement without moving on first, then go ahead and move on! Sit down, pick up a goal, work towards that goal. That could mean studying an aircraft system, like the engine, or the fuel system, or it could be studying a concept or tactic - offensive BFM, for example.
Good luck!
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The Horn Awareness and Recovery Training Series exercises, HARTS, are very worthwhile IMO. Drill it until you can do it well - then go back, re-read the instructions, and work it over again. If you get too tired of it, move onto the aerobatics sections, then come back to the HARTS stuff.
Good luck!I do have a (rather lengthy) video of HARTS training with Blu3wolf as instructor. If anyone is interested I can upload it on YouTube. Uncut of course.
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Blu3wolf I will follow your advice thanks
Lukrop if you can upload it that will be very appriciated
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Sometimes I wonder what happened to our reading habits. I remember that as a young Falconeer (At maybe 2003-4) when new patches were released, I was excited to read the manuals (I used to print them, I swear I still remember some pages of the SP3/SP4 manuals :)), so most of the times I even read them a couple of times before trying to test the changes or learn a new system.
Today, that I’m writing parts of those manuals (Well at least for 4.33, I wrote some of the new A-G sections), but seems like reading today is only second to YT tutorials and such :shock: :mrgreen:
Same. Whenever I look to buy something, I download and read the manual and get excited about putting into practice what I’ve learned. Doesn’t matter what it is; reading the manual to me is almost like getting the item sooner ha.
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Lukrop if you can upload it that will be very appriciated
I finally found time to upload it. Have Fun!
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Thank you for posting this, Lukrop! I’m looking forward to learning a lot from this video. Blu3wolf has recommended the HARTS training to me before (… and I have to sheepishly admit I haven’t done it yet… :oops: ) Well, of course, I need to get off my lazy rear end and actually DO it, but in the meantime I’ll bet there’s a lot of good information in this video. I think I’ll learn a lot. Time to settle in for some quality time with Professor Blu3wolf! :ranger:
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I was pretty tired during that one sorry… theres a few fluff moments lol
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The two things Id be looking at if you consistently end up in a loop (presumably because you reach vertical down during the recovery) is your airspeed loss during the recovery, and your unload.
If the nose is getting low, you can try to add a little bit of negative g to try keep the nose from getting so steep a dive. The big cause of that is probably improper technique, causing you to lose lots of airspeed before you start to recover.
Managing airspeed is important, the aircraft doesnt fly well without it executing the recovery procedure promptly at the horn will help you keep airspeed, and smooth (not slow) technique on the stick will help more.
Getting vertical down but recovering the aircraft is still better than losing control of the aircraft. However, if you cant recover the aircraft without huge altitude loss, then you will want to hope you never hear the horn at low altitude… better to practice, and get a good feel for the aircraft controls so you can confidently control it regardless of speed.
Good luck! let us know how you get on with it.
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…sounds like you’re carrying too much power, to me. A common problem…we all (well, most folks…) want to go fast, and the jet wants to fly…so it’s not uncommon for a beginner to carry excess power and just constantly climb.
Watch the last digit in your airspeed box - if it’s not decreasing as you bring your nose up, pull the throttle back until it does…then continue your pull. The jet should break sometime before you get the nose to vertical, and at worst case you’ll end up in an actual deep stall…which is another set of problems. But on the plus side, at least you should still be upright…
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Thank you guys! I’m strictly within recommended parameters at the beginning of the exercises. I recover well at the horn when starting with no bank, it is when starting with 10-20 bank that I have troubles. I need practice to build up smoothness and diminish this overtasking feeling at monitoring parameters, and doing aerobics really helps me there too, nice! I’ll keep you informed
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…sounds like you’re carrying too much power, to me. A common problem…we all (well, most folks…) want to go fast, and the jet wants to fly…so it’s not uncommon for a beginner to carry excess power and just constantly climb.
Watch the last digit in your airspeed box - if it’s not decreasing as you bring your nose up, pull the throttle back until it does…then continue your pull. The jet should break sometime before you get the nose to vertical, and at worst case you’ll end up in an actual deep stall…which is another set of problems. But on the plus side, at least you should still be upright…
Sorry, you need to revise your HARTS parameters. You should be in MIL power for these exercises.
Thank you guys! I’m strictly within recommended parameters at the beginning of the exercises. I recover well at the horn when starting with no bank, it is when starting with 10-20 bank that I have troubles. I need practice to build up smoothness and diminish this overtasking feeling at monitoring parameters, and doing aerobics really helps me there too, nice! I’ll keep you informed
Great job if its building confidence! Above, I was not thinking you were entering the maneuvers at an incorrect airspeed - I was cautioning that if you enter the maneuvers correctly, reach the horn condition, and then delay your recovery, you will lose airspeed rapidly. If that happens, you will end up in a very nose low attitude, from which a pull through to the opposite heading may give the least altitude loss on recovery to wings level, nose on the horizon attitude.
The solution to avoiding that, is to react rapidly (and smoothly) to the horn, by rolling inverted to the nearest horizon, stopping the roll, and smoothly applying back pressure as needed to get the nose moving down. If the nose starts moving without any back pressure at all, then you dont need any back pressure. Dont jerk the stick, and dont apply roll and pitch inputs together. DO make smooth control applications as required, DO make control applications up to max input if thats required. With the nose high like that, airspeed is slipping away from you, fast. You keep as much airspeed as possible by minimising the time spent with the nose in the air - and you minimise that time by getting the aircraft inverted and the nose tracking towards the horizon.
The lower your altitude, the crisper the control response will be. The draggier and heavier the aircraft, the more sluggish the control response will be.
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Sorry, you need to revise your HARTS parameters. You should be in MIL power for these exercises.
It’s possible to perform the HART at about any power setting…in fact, I find it far more instructive to do them at various power settings - point being to recognize the limiter when/where it is applied. If you do this you can learn to avoid the situation by programming your pull. I always look to do one thing many ways…that’s how you learn.