Stealthy MiG 29A in Instant Action?
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Hello, I have a small problem:
When playing Instant Action (Fighter Sweep) I usually die whenever some MiG 29 (A) turn up. No matter, what I do, my radar can’t find them, unless they are really close (other Aircraft are found easily). I have version 4.33U2.
I got a picture of that situation:This screenshot was taken after quite a time in frezze (radar continues to scan), so my radar should have found these MiG 29 (red rectangle slightly left up).
Outside Instant Action (in Dogfight) however, my radar found the MiG 29 without any problems even on longer ranges.
Is that a bug inside Instant Action or is that normal? -
Suggest you learn how the system operates before making an ill informed bug suggestion. Your picture clearly shows you at the 40 mile range and your FCR looking straight ahead so it was only looking up to 25k altitude at the 20 mile range and they spawn in IA higher than that. Not the problem of the FCR or of Instant Action that the user wasn’t pointing the FCR in the correct direction. If you had pointed the antenna up so you would have been covering 15-35k at that range you would have seen them painted on the FCR. When you see MiG-25s in IA they spawn into IA even higher than the 29s do.
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Hello, I have a small problem:
When playing Instant Action (Fighter Sweep) I usually die whenever some MiG 29 (A) turn up. No matter, what I do, my radar can’t find them, unless they are really close (other Aircraft are found easily). I have version 4.33U2.
I got a picture of that situation:This screenshot was taken after quite a time in frezze (radar continues to scan), so my radar should have found these MiG 29 (red rectangle slightly left up).
Outside Instant Action (in Dogfight) however, my radar found the MiG 29 without any problems even on longer ranges.
Is that a bug inside Instant Action or is that normal?How far was the MIG29 from and at what altitude according to TacView etc? Also, any reason for using 4.33.2? .5 is the latest.
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Thanks for the Reply.
Because I don’t have TacView I can only say that these four MiG 29 where barely visible at minimum magnification on a 4K monitor. Therfore I would say about 10-15 nm distance. My own altitude was 13420 ft, the MiGs were slightly higher (see picture).
But this happens every time, independent of altitude, but I believe they spawn every time at the same distance.
I use only 4.33.2, because it is the latest version available as zip (and not only as torrent). Maybe I should get a BitTorrent client.
Is there any 3rd Party software i need (you said TacView and I also heard of the Weapon Delivery Planner) and what are these programs doing? I’m still quite a noob. -
Thanks for the Reply.
Because I don’t have TacView I can only say that these four MiG 29 where barely visible at minimum magnification on a 4K monitor. Therfore I would say about 10-15 nm distance. My own altitude was 13420 ft, the MiGs were slightly higher (see picture).
But this happens every time, independent of altitude, but I believe they spawn every time at the same distance.
I use only 4.33.2, because it is the latest version available as zip (and not only as torrent). Maybe I should get a BitTorrent client.
Is there any 3rd Party software i need (you said TacView and I also heard of the Weapon Delivery Planner) and what are these programs doing? I’m still quite a noob.And you have a right to be so, don’t be intimidated by anyone trying to make you feel bad because you ask questions.
Weapons Delivery Planner, Mission Commander and Weather Commander aren’t really 3rd party software, but part of the BMS suite. They could as well be incorporated within BMS interface, and may become so one day.
Tacview is a good 3rd party software, yes, even the free version.
Don’t use Instant Action or Dogfight to learn anything. Only Tactical Engagement and Campaign will allow you to deduce things from your experience. The other ones may not always be working as expected.EDIT: and upgrade to U5.
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Okay, I upgraded to U5 (I believe), but BMS says still 4.33.1 (bottom right corner). Is this normal? Can I see my current version or run the update istallers again?
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Okay, I upgraded to U5 (I believe), but BMS says still 4.33.1 (bottom right corner). Is this normal? Can I see my current version or run the update istallers again?
The update verification string should read: Falcon BMS 4.33.5 BUILD 16084. If it doesn’t, something must have gone wrong. Make sure you are thoroughly familiar with the installation/update procedure, as described in the Release/Update section.
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Okay, I will run all updates again…
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And you have a right to be so, don’t be intimidated by anyone trying to make you feel bad because you ask questions.
This is nothing to do with “intimidating” people so much as it is being tired of seeing people come here with the assumption that it is either a problem with the program or “normal” abnormal behavior. Never once was the assumption made that he didn’t know enough. If the new guys and gals that decide to learn something this complicated automatically came at it assuming they had made the mistake and needed to learn more and posed questions that way you wouldn’t see responses like mine.
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This is nothing to do with “intimidating” people so much as it is being tired of seeing people come here with the assumption that it is either a problem with the program or “normal” abnormal behavior. Never once was the assumption made that he didn’t know enough. If the new guys and gals that decide to learn something this complicated automatically came at it assuming they had made the mistake and needed to learn more and posed questions that way you wouldn’t see responses like mine.
I suppose you feel concerned about my statement, it’s a good thing already.
I already made my comment about Instant Action.
Take care.
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I already made my comment about Instant Action.
?? Hmm, darn, you’re an expert on IA, and there’s really nothing to be learned with/by it?? :?
Good to know!!! :crazy:
C9
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@Cloud:
?? Hmm, darn, you’re an expert on IA, and there’s really nothing to be learned with/by it?? :?
Good to know!!! :crazy:
C9
Heh. My guess is Lorik sensed a brother in arms, as it were. I remember when Lorik was the FNG and he posted a video complaining about something being wrong when in fact he had managed to deep stall his aircraft and didn’t know what he had done. At least in his case it wasn’t the much more mundane FCR.
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Back on track, sungad, if you install the free version of TacView and try the mission again (make sure to record it with the AVTR system) you can visually verify altitude differences and lateral distances. Simply put, if the target is not within the limits of where the FCR is currently searching, outside the gimbals, it won’t see the target. I suspect that that has happened here, but we can’t be sure unless we know where the 29 was.
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Back on track, sungad, if you install the free version of TacView and try the mission again (make sure to record it with the AVTR system) you can visually verify altitude differences and lateral distances. Simply put, if the target is not within the limits of where the FCR is currently searching, outside the gimbals, it won’t see the target. I suspect that that has happened here, but we can’t be sure unless we know where the 29 was.
In the first post in this thread is screenshot with a (faint) red rectangle in the picture. This is where the four MiGs were. They were not that far away, they were barely visible at 80° FOV on a 4K screen with smart scaling on.
My FCR was set to TWS with the scan area slewed to the left (where the MiGs were). Here is the picture (slightly cropped) again. The MiGs are in the extreme top left of the picture.From other angles than from head on (side, rear) the MiGs are detected so I could engage them from behind.
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In the first post in this thread is screenshot with a (faint) red rectangle in the picture. This is where the four MiGs were. They were not that far away, they were barely visible at 80° FOV on a 4K screen with smart scaling on.
My FCR was set to TWS with the scan area slewed to the left (where the MiGs were). Here is the picture (slightly cropped) again. The MiGs are in the extreme top left of the picture.From other angles than from head on (side, rear) the MiGs are detected so I could engage them from behind.
Glad you’re still posting here.
I’ll try to sum my feelings up here.1. Difficut to say if your radar is currently configured correctly to spot the contacts. It’s scanning 02-25 at 20 miles; I wouldn’t assume too much about the exact position of the -29, altitude wise in particular; your answer could be there. Planehazza already hinted in that direction. But you implied you knew this kind of things from other experiences, so I’ll assume they’re really likely to be in the conus. Also, you’re mentioning the -29’s attitude. If they are beaming (showing you one of their side), they will be hard to spot, not to say invisible, because that’s how Doppler radars work. But you seem to say it is not the case.
2. Instant Action and Dogfight modes aren’t necessarily given the love you’d expect to draw conclusions from what you experience there. I can’t say for this matter in particular, but don’t use it to test things extensively. You’re saying your problems start with a a particular “wave” of fighters, if I understood correctly. This is rather evocative of something related to the game mode more than anything, provided you’re not experiencing one of the above.Let us know how it is in TE and campaigns. Anyway, it’s in the latter you’ll want to spend time
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You could fly MP and I’m sure someone can help you get to the bottom of it; lots of experienced fliers out there.
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From the screenshot, in my opinion, there is no way they were in the radar cone, especially in TWS 3 bars.
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From the screenshot, in my opinion, there is no way they were in the radar cone, especially in TWS 3 bars.
I just don’t think there’s anyway we can prove it either way from that image. Scaling, resolution, jpg compression… they all affect the visual size of the target, which I can’t even see within the image. You could argue that the bandit is at FL200 at 30nm, but you really don’t know that for sure with out an ACMI. You need to know those precisely to tell whether it’s within the cone or note.
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Crap, I was looking at his radar wrong. disregard previous comment.
You can put labels on, go in again and confirm the distance, freeze and do another test.
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I think I got it where I can state it properly this time.
Your alt at 13,420 gives scan of 22/5 at 20 miles. That gives 18/9 at 10 miles. And 16/11 at 5 miles. _If he is close, and in your screenshot I see he is high.
All he would have to be is at alt 17,000 at 5 miles and you don’t get the return.
Or him at 19,0000 at 10 miles.I can see either being very possible._