BMS Key File Help
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Ok,really stupid question here kolbe,how do I setup pausetrackir instead of reloadtrackir,thats all Iwant to do,everything else I can deal with but dang if I can change it,even when changing it manually,it screws things up,my fault,but I want pausetrackir,dont ask why. I cant even fiqure out the editor cause I dont have the program to use it-xls
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how do I setup pausetrackir instead of reloadtrackir, I cant even fiqure out the editor cause I dont have the program to use it……
First IMO, there’s no stupid questions. I’m sure Kolbe will have a better answer for you, but in the meantime this might help.
1. BMS has callbacks for both Reload TrackIR (ReloadTrackIr), and Recenter TrackIR (RecenterTrackIR). From the official keyfiles, there’s no callback for Pause TrackIR at present. (maybe there’s a plan to do it in the future)
2. Where there is a callback you can use Direct X button, if your controller supports it, or map some keystroke/s to the callback, from in the game, then program them on your controller. These keys would be quite independent from those setup in your TIR software.
3. Where there’s no callback ( as in this case) BMS is irrelevant in how you set up to use it.
4. Two options, Keyboard, or program what ever controller you have (not clear from you post what controller you use).
5. You can edit the key strokes mapped to a callback in the game setup/controllers, menu, by clicking on the command, then apply the keys, then save the file.
6. You mention an editor above, you can edit the keyfile directly with a text editor, and while there are many free ones, notepad, in windows is perfectly adequate. There’s also an xls file floating around which helps you compile the lines to add to the keyfile, but like u said, you need excel to run it.
7. Pausing TIR IMHO is a bit hit and miss in the current BMS, as it does not always end up at the paused view, so not very useful.
Hope this helps some.
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Thanks fish,I have been using the keyboard but still would like it mapped on my x52,I use it (pausetrackir) during ingress and when doing other things.Did just download foxy,will start playing with that.I’ll fiqure something out,come hell or high water,I am a bit of a perfectionist. And scince I just lost my 2nd day in caimpaign on account of me fricking around,guess I’ll just mess around for another couple days or weeks.
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@oldtommyboy
If you just need a static view for a few moments to get things squared away, you are better off using your hats to map 2d and 3d views. Its exactly the same pit, whereby 2d is pannable (snapview) with hat (which can also double -shifted- as trim) and 3d pannable with tir. No need to pause TIR at all. -
Thanks guys,I’m going to try something I thought about last night if this dont work,then I will resort to sst programing. Everything else good though. I wonder if other people have slight problems with rotaries and mouse wheel on throttle or if this is strickly a saitek problem also.
Killer- yep,i know about switching to 2d also,that was the only thing I hated doing in free falcon was switching back and forth between views.
Also while watching training vids,I wondered why he never pauses trackir when turning his head to look at his paperwork,now I know.but it does work fine with the keyboard.
I wonder if I delete reload ( the whole line ) and replace it with pause,if that simply will work,scince I’m messing around,guess I’ll find out.edit: nope didnt work,went looking through all old callbacks but couldnt find one for pausetrackir, oh well,back to flying. No big deal,tried for 4 days to get this,enough is enough unless some body could give me a callback to add to my keyfile cause nothing I did works.:uham:
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Hmm tommyboy, you say that it works from the keyboard. Can’t you just program that key to the saitek ?
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I was trying that with all the directx files,couldnt get it to work,if I was using sst I could but couldnt do it with the set up I want. I had it programed in ff5 for years but I do like the directx way better. I was trying to get it so it would show up in the game ui but couldnt get it to work,even creating a new key. No biggy. Thanks anyway.
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I’ve tried the Kolbe file and cannot find out for the life of me how to cycle steerpoints :rolleyes: Any help from my fellow falconeers? I’m using the v14_full.key btw.
Happy Holidays,
Uwe
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I’ve tried the Kolbe file and cannot find out for the life of me how to cycle steerpoints :rolleyes: Any help from my fellow falconeers? I’m using the v14_full.key btw.
Happy Holidays,
Uwe
Numpad + and Numpad -
SimICPPrevious -1 0 0X4A 0 0 0 1 “ICP: PREVIOUS - Push”
SimICPNext -1 0 0X4E 0 0 0 1 “ICP: NEXT - Push” -
Numpad + and Numpad -
Thanks Killer, I’d been checking the key file for “steerpoint” or “waypt”…
Uwe
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Here’s one more question… how about ACMI? I’ve searched the keyfile for references, but haven’t found a way to turn ACMI recording on.
never mind, the “f” key works, just had to turn on the message in the cfg file … sorry.
Cheers, Uwe
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Hi,
just changed the link in post #1. The old link was broken.
Thanks to Pilgrim for his advice.Regards
Kolbe
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Here’s one more question… how about ACMI? I’ve searched the keyfile for references, but haven’t found a way to turn ACMI recording on.never mind, the “f” key works, just had to turn on the message in the cfg file … sorry. Cheers, Uwe
Kolbe,
Thanks in advance, but the link is down again.
Regards,
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I’ve uploaded my version of the keyfile (about four weeks old or so) to my Dropbox folder:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1983539/BMS-keyfile.zip
Feel free to grab it from there.Cheers, Uwe
PS: Of course this is Kolbe’s Keyfile, the “my” was referring to “my downloaded copy”
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Here’s one more question… how about ACMI? I’ve searched the keyfile for references, but haven’t found a way to turn ACMI recording on.
never mind, the “f” key works, just had to turn on the message in the cfg file … sorry.
Cheers, Uwe
Alternatively, disable the “message” in the cfg file and instead rely on the AVTR switch position and lamp.
Using the SimAVTRToggle toggle callback will not move the switch or turn on the lamp, however if you use any of the SimAVTRSwitch* callbacks you will effectively move the switch to its appropriate position and thereby illuminate the indication lamp, which will tell you at a glance whether you are recording, on auto or off.
#===============================================================================================
SimDoNothing -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 -1 “=========== AVTR PANEL ===========”
SimAVTRToggle -1 0 0X21 0 0 0 1 “AVTR: AVTR Switch - Toggle”
SimAVTRSwitch -1 0 0X21 4 0 0 1 “AVTR: AVTR Switch - Cycle”
SimAVTRSwitchUp -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “AVTR: AVTR Switch - Toggle Up”
SimAVTRSwitchDown -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “AVTR: AVTR Switch - Toggle Down”
SimAVTRSwitchOn -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “AVTR: AVTR Switch - ON”
SimAVTRSwitchAuto -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “AVTR: AVTR Switch - AUTO”
SimAVTRSwitchOff -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “AVTR: AVTR Switch - OFF”
#===============================================================================================One less message flashing on the screen.
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thanx Kolbe for organising the callback forest for us.
while making my own i stumbled over this (BMS_Keystrokes_Ver_1_4_Full.key):
SimDoNothing -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 -1 “======= FUEL QTY SEL PANEL =======”
SimExtFuelTrans -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “QTY: EXT FUEL TRANS Switch - Toggle”
SimFuelTransNorm -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “QTY: EXT FUEL TRANS Switch - NORM”
SimFuelTransWing -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “QTY: EXT FUEL TRANS Switch - WING”
SimIncFuelSwitch -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “QTY: FUEL QTY SEL Knob - Toggle Up”
SimDecFuelSwitch -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “QTY: FUEL QTY SEL Knob - Toggle Down”
SimFuelSwitchTest -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “QTY: FUEL QTY SEL Knob - TEST”
SimFuelSwitchNorm -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “QTY: FUEL QTY SEL Knob - NORM”
SimFuelSwitchResv -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “QTY: FUEL QTY SEL Knob - RSVR”
SimFuelSwitchWingInt -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “QTY: FUEL QTY SEL Knob - INT WING”
SimFuelSwitchWingExt -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “QTY: FUEL QTY SEL Knob - EXT WING”
SimFuelSwitchCenterExt -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “QTY: FUEL QTY SEL Knob - EXT CTR”(all disabled)
just to tell you.
many thanks again!
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Hi,
thanks for the info.
Seems to me I just forgot to set the keys for them. At least
QTY: EXT FUEL TRANS Switch - Toggle
QTY: FUEL QTY SEL Knob - Toggle Up
QTY: FUEL QTY SEL Knob - Toggle Downshould be assigned.
Will fix this in my next update.
Regards
Kolbe
thanx Kolbe for organising the callback forest for us.
while making my own i stumbled over this (BMS_Keystrokes_Ver_1_4_Full.key):
SimDoNothing -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 -1 “======= FUEL QTY SEL PANEL =======”
SimExtFuelTrans -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “QTY: EXT FUEL TRANS Switch - Toggle”
SimFuelTransNorm -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “QTY: EXT FUEL TRANS Switch - NORM”
SimFuelTransWing -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “QTY: EXT FUEL TRANS Switch - WING”
SimIncFuelSwitch -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “QTY: FUEL QTY SEL Knob - Toggle Up”
SimDecFuelSwitch -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “QTY: FUEL QTY SEL Knob - Toggle Down”
SimFuelSwitchTest -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “QTY: FUEL QTY SEL Knob - TEST”
SimFuelSwitchNorm -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “QTY: FUEL QTY SEL Knob - NORM”
SimFuelSwitchResv -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “QTY: FUEL QTY SEL Knob - RSVR”
SimFuelSwitchWingInt -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “QTY: FUEL QTY SEL Knob - INT WING”
SimFuelSwitchWingExt -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “QTY: FUEL QTY SEL Knob - EXT WING”
SimFuelSwitchCenterExt -1 0 0XFFFFFFFF 0 0 0 1 “QTY: FUEL QTY SEL Knob - EXT CTR”(all disabled)
just to tell you.
many thanks again!
cheers -
Hi - I am very confused here. I downloaded Kolbes keyfile but it doesnt seem to do much for me.
What exactly is it supposed to do once I load it? And I apologize for the stupid question, but I have gone thru the manual, as well as tried various keyfiles and Foxy profiles, and cant get anything to work correctly.
First thing - I dont know how to program the Cougar.
But reading thru the BMS manual, it made it sound like programming the Cougar was a thing of the past….that BMS was designed to do complex things with the Cougar without having to use Foxy. But how do I do this???
I have tried Duncs profile - and to its credit, it works - the throttle cursor works and everything - but it causes BMS to crash every time I use it…either during a mission or when I end a mission.
I just want my Cougar to work…I dont need a super complex setup where there are double shifted functions. To start, I would like every button to work, and the throttle cursor. How to I accomplish this???
I posted a similar question on the General forum and even though I mentioned that duncs profile caused crashes, people told me to use duncs profile…and someone even suggested selling my Cougar.
Is there anyone here that can take pity on me and explain how to get this to work in laymans terms? This is about to turn into a tragedy - I drove 100 miles on the day F4 was released in 1988 to buy my copy…and although I have used it here and there since…I finally have a PC powerful enough to run it properly. But I am about to get rid of it and throw the cougar and my 2 throttles away out of frustration. I just dont know what to do.
So here are my questions:
In order to use the buttons and the throttle cursor on the Cougar…do I need to use Foxy? Or can I just use a keyfile?
I was under the impression that one of the included keyfiles allowed the Cougar to work without any more additional work…is that correct? If so, is it BMS.key? If so, what do I have to do to get it to work? Do I have to run any Thrustmaster software in addition to BMS?
How do I modify a keyfile? Do I load it in a text editor, and then paste values created via the keyfile generator Excel spreadsheet? Or do I assign keys from within Falcons controller section?
And is there anyone that could please gently walk me thru getting my cougar to work without having to use duncs profile?
Sorry for my frustration - I just cant get this to work and it is really frustrating me.
Mike
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I use a personalized Kolbe keyfile but with an X-52, so I can help you, or better I try to help you, only for the keyfile part.
In the files you’ve downloaded there’s a guide made by Kolbe where you find a lot of informations about keyfiles. In simple terms a keyfile is the configuration of the controls that appear in the setup section of BMS. In Kolbe files there are several configurations: one completely blank, one for pitbuilders and one for normal users. These keyfile are programmed to use keyboard for controls and you have to use the programming software of your HOTAS to map all the commands you need. Maybe you can already find some profiles here in the forum. Keep in mind that BMS is already programmed for the long press functions, i.e. if you want to use TMS down for more than 1 second, you only have to do it, without program your HOTAS to activate another function after a press long more than 1 second.I hope I was enough clear and I apologise for my not so good English.;)