WIERD SA-10 BEHAVIOUR
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But the SA-5 switched off its FCR mid-guidence…
I looked into tacview and the SA-5 missile is barely halfway towards me before the SA-5 switches off its FCR.
because they have certainly lost lock anyway
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Not surprisingly that behavior, I guess.
It happens because they have a custom Doppler radar system, IIRC, so you’re safe if, and until, you are wise enough to make your constant turning flight far enough from their coverage area, never trespassing its borders in any case.With best regards.
Can you elaborate a bit? I am confused by this explanation.
I did not turn around the SA-10. I just kept turning around in circles when the SA-10 switched off.
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The trick is to do an S in and out along the perimeter of the SA-10.
That way your harm missile gets a fix on the target.Στάλθηκε από το MI 5 μου χρησιμοποιώντας Tapatalk
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Okay I tried another few tries.
It turns out that Mav-JP is right - the SAMs only switch off their radars if they lose track of you. The SA-5 does not switch off even when there was only 30 seconds left when it could still track me.
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However, it seems like the SA-5 stops shooting at you whenever you are flying away from them. I did one mild turn without having any chaffs and they still stopped shooting at me. That seems rather strange…
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Never mind. That behaviour does not seem to be common.
However, if I do not use chaffs and only do mild turns, it seems like the SA-5s would generally lock onto me to the last second.
Here is the video
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However, it seems like the SA-5 stops shooting at you whenever you are flying away from them. I did one mild turn without having any chaffs and they still stopped shooting at me. That seems rather strange…
Because they considered that you have sent a magnum
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When you set your squadron at lower skill levels, the SAMs seems less willing to shut down.
Is there any reason for this?
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Because they considered that you have sent a magnum
No, sometimes they stop shooting but their FCRs remain on…
Isn’t that counter-productive?
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PhilFYW, IMO your approach is too much “mathematical”. What you want is a SAM behaving perfectly and always the same way. This is also counterproductive.
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No, sometimes they stop shooting but their FCRs remain on…
Isn’t that counter-productive?
I will not reveal the algorithm that rules the SAM tactics as that would spoil the fun.
just be aware that the algorithm is complex enough to avoid a totally mechanised and expected behavior
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I can understand that the SAMs does not always behave to expectations.
However, I don’t get why the SAM sometimes switch on their FCRs without firing. If they want to locate me, they have the EWRs; if they stop shooting at me, they should switch off their FCRs as well. Is there any benefits of switching on the FCR without firing?
Thanks!
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I can understand that the SAMs does not always behave to expectations.
However, I don’t get why the SAM sometimes switch on their FCRs without firing. If they want to locate me, they have the EWRs; if they stop shooting at me, they should switch off their FCRs as well. Is there any benefits of switching on the FCR without firing?
Thanks!
Sams behaves as expected , you just don’t know what to expect (which is exactly why I will not reveal anything more)
FCR has a tracking step up process that can take time depending on many parameters
Again I will not reveal all the insight
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What is stepping? Is it a process to turn on the FCR? Just turning on the FCR while leaving target unlocked?
Why is stepping required for SAM FCRs?
Sorry for asking so many questions but I am genuinely curious.:)
Its not so much on the coding of the SAM but on the technical aspects.
Thanks!
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What is stepping? Is it a process to turn on the FCR? Just turning on the FCR while leaving target unlocked?
Why is stepping required for SAM FCRs?
Sorry for asking so many questions but I am genuinely curious.:)
Its not so much on the coding of the SAM but on the technical aspects.
Thanks!
Sams radars (EWR and FCR) have a stepping process :
OFF
Search 1
Search2
Search3
AQUIRE
GUIDETo make it simple, to go from 1 step to the next step, they must be able to detect the target , then there is a time of detection for each step, some sams are able to go very quickly from one step to the other, some others take much more time .
In case the target is lost or difficult to detect, the modes are stepped downed …
on top of that you have also a complex logical algoryhtm that can allow to directly go to OFF mode and to make use of EWR to feed FCR directly.
for instance, in case EWR is active, FCR will remain off, but when EWR will reach the AQUIRE MODE, it will feed the FCR directly in aquire mode
if EWR is shut down, the FCR will have to climb all step from search 1 which will take much more time
again…
stop trying to decrypt , this is a VERY complex environment
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Check out Sam simulator to get an idea of what it’s like operating one of these analog systems.
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Is a yellow emitting target more difficult to be tracked by a HARM compared to a red aquiring or flashing red shooting target?
Or is it that its all the same to the HARM as long as the target is emitting?
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Is a yellow emitting target more difficult to be tracked by a HARM compared to a red aquiring or flashing red shooting target?
Or is it that its all the same to the HARM as long as the target is emitting?
Forget about that. HTS/HAD is not something working like IRL. HTS/HAD in BMS is a sort super RWR, implementation is wrong.
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However, is a shooting radar more easy to be tracked than a emitting radar?
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However, is a shooting radar more easy to be tracked than a emitting radar?
I do not think so. It would not make sense. But IRL, it entirely depends on intel, libraries … frequencies, HARM sensor sensibility in different bands.