WIERD SA-10 BEHAVIOUR
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However, it seems like the SA-5 stops shooting at you whenever you are flying away from them. I did one mild turn without having any chaffs and they still stopped shooting at me. That seems rather strange…
Because they considered that you have sent a magnum
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When you set your squadron at lower skill levels, the SAMs seems less willing to shut down.
Is there any reason for this?
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Because they considered that you have sent a magnum
No, sometimes they stop shooting but their FCRs remain on…
Isn’t that counter-productive?
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PhilFYW, IMO your approach is too much “mathematical”. What you want is a SAM behaving perfectly and always the same way. This is also counterproductive.
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No, sometimes they stop shooting but their FCRs remain on…
Isn’t that counter-productive?
I will not reveal the algorithm that rules the SAM tactics as that would spoil the fun.
just be aware that the algorithm is complex enough to avoid a totally mechanised and expected behavior
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I can understand that the SAMs does not always behave to expectations.
However, I don’t get why the SAM sometimes switch on their FCRs without firing. If they want to locate me, they have the EWRs; if they stop shooting at me, they should switch off their FCRs as well. Is there any benefits of switching on the FCR without firing?
Thanks!
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I can understand that the SAMs does not always behave to expectations.
However, I don’t get why the SAM sometimes switch on their FCRs without firing. If they want to locate me, they have the EWRs; if they stop shooting at me, they should switch off their FCRs as well. Is there any benefits of switching on the FCR without firing?
Thanks!
Sams behaves as expected , you just don’t know what to expect (which is exactly why I will not reveal anything more)
FCR has a tracking step up process that can take time depending on many parameters
Again I will not reveal all the insight
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What is stepping? Is it a process to turn on the FCR? Just turning on the FCR while leaving target unlocked?
Why is stepping required for SAM FCRs?
Sorry for asking so many questions but I am genuinely curious.:)
Its not so much on the coding of the SAM but on the technical aspects.
Thanks!
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What is stepping? Is it a process to turn on the FCR? Just turning on the FCR while leaving target unlocked?
Why is stepping required for SAM FCRs?
Sorry for asking so many questions but I am genuinely curious.:)
Its not so much on the coding of the SAM but on the technical aspects.
Thanks!
Sams radars (EWR and FCR) have a stepping process :
OFF
Search 1
Search2
Search3
AQUIRE
GUIDETo make it simple, to go from 1 step to the next step, they must be able to detect the target , then there is a time of detection for each step, some sams are able to go very quickly from one step to the other, some others take much more time .
In case the target is lost or difficult to detect, the modes are stepped downed …
on top of that you have also a complex logical algoryhtm that can allow to directly go to OFF mode and to make use of EWR to feed FCR directly.
for instance, in case EWR is active, FCR will remain off, but when EWR will reach the AQUIRE MODE, it will feed the FCR directly in aquire mode
if EWR is shut down, the FCR will have to climb all step from search 1 which will take much more time
again…
stop trying to decrypt , this is a VERY complex environment
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Check out Sam simulator to get an idea of what it’s like operating one of these analog systems.
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Is a yellow emitting target more difficult to be tracked by a HARM compared to a red aquiring or flashing red shooting target?
Or is it that its all the same to the HARM as long as the target is emitting?
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Is a yellow emitting target more difficult to be tracked by a HARM compared to a red aquiring or flashing red shooting target?
Or is it that its all the same to the HARM as long as the target is emitting?
Forget about that. HTS/HAD is not something working like IRL. HTS/HAD in BMS is a sort super RWR, implementation is wrong.
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However, is a shooting radar more easy to be tracked than a emitting radar?
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However, is a shooting radar more easy to be tracked than a emitting radar?
I do not think so. It would not make sense. But IRL, it entirely depends on intel, libraries … frequencies, HARM sensor sensibility in different bands.
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However, is a shooting radar more easy to be tracked than a emitting radar?
I do not even understand the meaning and difference between the “shooting radar” and “emitting radar”. Every radar emits radio waves.
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The shooting radar is a radar that is guiding a missile towards you. A emitting radar is a radar that is emitting but not guiding anything.
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The shooting radar is a radar that is guiding a missile towards you. A emitting radar is a radar that is emitting but not guiding anything.
In this case pls. use the following terms.
Target acquisition radar for ex.
P-18 for the SA-2E Volkhov-M (S-75M)
Bird 5N64K RLO (Big Bird)for S-300PT (SA-10A)Low level target acquisition for ex.
5N66 NVO (Clam Shell) for S-300PT (SA-10A)
HPIR (High Power Illuminator Doppler Radar) for the HAWK
(both are Continuous Wave radars)Fire control radar like for ex.
SNR-75E (Fan Song) for S-75M (SA-2E)
5N63 RPN (Flap Lid) for S-300PT (SA-10A)For latest SAMs your terms is simply cannot be interpreted because a single radar is used for both target acquisition and fire control for ARH guided missiles. These systems are for ex. NASAMS, SAMP/T or the Russian S-350 Vityaz.
You can read about SAMs here
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?32545-This-is-what-I-worked-in-the-last-2-3-years -
The shooting radar is a radar that is guiding a missile towards you. A emitting radar is a radar that is emitting but not guiding anything.
… a “shooting” radar (Fire Control Radar) is emitting also.
EDIT: May I suggest you : Electronic Warfare Fundamentals Wonderful easy reading document.
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However, is a shooting radar more easy to be tracked than a emitting radar?
Every RADAR emits waves.
A search radar is usually easier to detect than a shooting radar (in real life) because:
1. Range: search radar can reach hundreds of miles with ease.
A shooting radar usually ranges in the tens, because of the high energy it uses.
2. Beam size: search radar’s beam is usually wide vertically and horizontally (up/ down and sideways) while the shooting radar is much more narrower (usually only several degrees).
Now…there are many kinds of radar and radar technology and then there’s also phased array radar which is a whole different ball game…but that’s the very simplified explanation.
As for BMS…I do not know if it’s the same as in RL but it should be… -
1. Range: search radar can reach hundreds of miles with ease.
But not only because of their power. The classical Soviet targ. aq./EW radars used dm or m wavelength while fire control radars are cm radars.
2. Beam size: search radar’s beam is usually wide vertically and horizontally (up/ down and sideways) while the shooting radar is much more narrower (usually only several degrees).
Not in every cases. In the age of P-12/P-18 in elevation the beam was wide.
The P-12/18 radars used Yagi type antennas. An average Yagi antenna emits 50x90 degree lobe. The P-18 antenna was build up from 8x2 Yagi elements which means in azimuth the lobe arc was 50/8 = 6.2 degrees,
in elevation 90/2 = 45 degrees, therefore emitted lobe was 6.2x45 degrees. This is the reason why could scan large airspace the P-18 but was impossible to measure target altitude.But for ex. Big Bird or ST-68U and every more advanced targ. aq. radar uses ESA for elevation scanning and antenna is rotated mechanically for azimuth scan. These radars using not so wide beam.