Kangnung and poor weather Landing
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Hi!
@oakdesign:I’ve comanded a Leopard 2 Tank platoon later a company IRL for 10 years. All of my Tank commanders learned to use any available sensor to their advantage, even so it might not be part of SOP.
Yep … if you have no other choices and under certain extreme operational circumstances, it may be considered as an ultimate option.
… but keep in mind that your Leopard won’t be buried into the ground if you don’t have the correct QHN , if your IRS/GPS is not 100% reliable, if your systems position is not 100% accurate, or if your HUD is, for some reasons, about 5° off like I had during my latest deployment.
If you have a suitable alternate field few miles away with a suitable precision or classic approach procedure with suitable weather conditions … etc … there is no reasons on earth not to divert and to take such a risk of doing something not certified nor validated. But since you are a professional, you have planned such case before departure and properly managed you fuel during your flight to be able to divert on planned divert(s) field(s).
Fortunately, this a just video game … we can do what we want, we are not gonna die for real because we are overconfident about the accuracy of some of our sensors.
Regards.
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Divert fields are nice and all, but what do you do when this is your divert field? Granted, you should select one which has a good chance of having sufficient visibility, but given the Viper’s limited range, it might be suboptimal as well, if the weather is bad over a wide area (yeah, going by the book, the flight probably shouldn’t have taken off in the first place, but perhaps the forecast looked better on the ground or something).
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Divert fields are nice and all, but what do you do when this is your divert field? .
This must be anticipated at mission planning.
… if you choose one or two divert fields with an ILS on both QFU, you will certainly be alright. if not … maybe you shouldn’t have departed and postponed your mission due to unsuitable weather conditions.
For info … IRL => mission planning => NOTAMs => possible non available ILS for maintenance, calibration, or simply not working …
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I was thinking more along the lines of ILS not being available due to a Su-30 sneaking in and bombing it while you were away. Or any other war-related disruption, such as deliberate jamming by the other side. NOTAMs are fine when in peacetime, but in war we can’t discount surprises like that.
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I was thinking more along the lines of ILS not being available due to a Su-30 sneaking in and bombing it while you were away. Or any other war-related disruption, such as deliberate jamming by the other side. NOTAMs are fine when in peacetime, but in war we can’t discount surprises like that.
Then you are in “certain extreme operational circumstances”.
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Last note on this from me:
Kangnung is my take off field. Sokcho is the divert field. get back from mission to Kangnung and request landing, Kangnung approach says closed, used divert field. Gives a wrong Tacan channel (says 59X) when Sokcco is 43X. I understand that this is still possibly a program issue. But the Sokcho Approach, when dialed into, says same thing and still refers to their field as the divert field with the same wrong Tacan channel. Just an FYI. Thank you.
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Last note on this from me:
Kangnung is my take off field. Sokcho is the divert field. get back from mission to Kangnung and request landing, Kangnung approach says closed, used divert field. Gives a wrong Tacan channel (says 59X) when Sokcco is 43X. I understand that this is still possibly a program issue. But the Sokcho Approach, when dialed into, says same thing and still refers to their field as the divert field with the same wrong Tacan channel. Just an FYI. Thank you.
Good info! Thank you … will try to take a look! … or Red dog if he is faster.
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Station ILS .dat … I see Sokcho Airbase 59Y in … and YangYang TACAN 43X
EDIT: I think I understand what is the issue here … not a bug per say but code is giving the TACAN of the Airbase (c.f. CAMP ID) … not the TACAN which is used for the procedure on RD’s charts/plates. Code can’t know that what is used for the published procedure
is another objective (YangYang TACAN) which has another CAMP IP that the airbase.@Sortofred: Do you confirm that Tower or AWACS told you 59X not 59Y ? … and did you tried that TACAN chanel?
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@RD: Ok, … issue is obvious: For the ATC to work, YangYang TACAN (43X) has to be part of Sokcho Airbase … not a separated Objective, otherwise ATC won’t point to the correct CAMP ID and won’t give the correct TACAN channel on the radio message.
We can talk about it further via PM if you wish …
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… I think we will have to degrade (randomly) HUD harmonization accuracy to prevent such kind of cheat. …
A very good point. Random faults for aircraft systems, less accuracy for bombs…
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I have had a couple of ils landings into kangnung using radar vectoring from ATC and cannot for the life of me see the runway. It has me down at 1000 ft on approach and I still cannot see the runway as I overfly (which is a whole other issue of making the turn to land on runway 08. Any suggestions, or is it just keep trying? lol
Played lot of missions from that af. Korean f16 unit with older block. ATC never asked me to do landing on 08 even at night on BMS4.33.
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… I think we will have to degrade (randomly) HUD harmonization accuracy to prevent such kind of cheat. …
Maybe bit INS drifting? I’ll quess that F16 don’t use lot gps signals during flight to check where it is really?
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IRS is already drifting in BMS
Darn, there we go again :). Dash 34 says that:
“The NAV page is eye candy as it refers to the accuracy of the navigation system which is always very good in BMS and does not drift.”
I don’t know what I’m missing. - 34 also mentions drifting caused by GPS failure. But the system is also defined as perfect when functional, as per quote above.
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IRS is already drifting in BMS …
Hybridized means permanent GPS updates under normal/nominal operations.
Under normal operations? Some country has ability to make some harassment to gps signals? Doesn’t this make tomahawks ->bumerangs and falcons just home guiding pigeons?
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INS can navigate without GPS signal, exactly because it can be jammed (or wiped out, should someone set off a big enough nuke in upper atmosphere). IIRC, Tomahawks also have this. It’s still a potential problem, and it’s why JDAMs aren’t the definite end of all when it comes to bombing. LGBs and dumb bombs would be used in such situation.
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@M79:
Some country has ability to make some harassment to gps signals?
No need of specific intentions. In some places , EM environment is so dense that GPS freq/sig are jammed.
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Last note on this from me:
Kangnung is my take off field. Sokcho is the divert field. get back from mission to Kangnung and request landing, Kangnung approach says closed, used divert field. Gives a wrong Tacan channel (says 59X) when Sokcco is 43X. I understand that this is still possibly a program issue. But the Sokcho Approach, when dialed into, says same thing and still refers to their field as the divert field with the same wrong Tacan channel. Just an FYI. Thank you.
Check fix next on future 4.35
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Will do, thanks.