Flight model comparation - BMS F16 Falcon DCS F16 Viper
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Lets see and wait. I would not blame a Dev Team without deeper knowledge of the inner mechanics.
We dont know the priority lists, we dont know what they are currently working on, we dont know if there are just other things more important currently.
Priority is (as long as its not a crash, then its obvious) a very very subjective topic.
Whats extremely important for you is not as important for others but doesnt mean that it will be ignored in the long run. -
Using a ground speed instead of an airspeed for performances computation is a showstopper. No matter what is important for me.
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your opinion, not right not wrong just an opinion and for that as valid as mine.
From my point of view the biggest mistake is the lack of honest communication, its still in Development after all and not even close to Release.
There are many Topics you didnt know if its at least on the “to be fixed” list or some info about which stuff ist currently in development.
Hey but, to be honest, this is something you can blame the BMS Dev Team also for if you have no closer connection to some of them you have no clue what comes next or which Bugs are adressed to be fixed….Its just more visible and the expectations are higher by ED because of the regular Release Road they have choosen and the Fact that its Payware.
So calm down, take a Cup of Tea and wait, you cant change it anyways.
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Who told you that some are not in connection. Flight simulation world is a small community.
And there is nothing to blame about BMS team as we do not claim that our F-16 is the ultimate benchmark in F-16 flight simulation (so far this is just a fact until you can prove me wrong) we are just claiming that we tend into that direction as much as possible, we have ever never promise anything and you didn’t spent a single cent to download BMS mod for Falcon4. -
And there is nothing to blame about BMS team as we do not claim that our F-16 is the ultimate benchmark in F-16 flight simulation (so far this is just a fact until you can prove me wrong)
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Sometimes I just can’t resist
Dj, you really need to turn 7 times your tongue in your mouth …Do you know the English meaning of BENCHMARK, Like BMS
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Hm, you guys compare a Flight Model, developed for many years to a specific flight model which is currently WIP……
Far too early to do something like this in a serious way.The F-16 flight model is of the VERY LEAST problems that ED has…
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@Red:
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Sometimes I just can’t resist
Dj, you really need to turn 7 times your tongue in your mouth …Do you know the English meaning of BENCHMARK, Like BMS
look it up mateNo no I thought about it. Benchmark Sim is not Benchmark F-16. It is the name of an non official group given lonnnng time ago at a time when there was no other F-16 Sim (so to say except MFS, F-16 Comat Pilot and Fighter Commander)
So I declared myself go for that statement. -
The F-16 flight model is of the VERY LEAST problems that ED has…
Your probably right but thats what this Thread is all about.
@Dee-Jay: im not in connection with you for example so i didnt know what comes next. For sure i know somebody who knows somebody but its a big difference between rumours and a professional statement and thats the point. I dont blame the BMS Team for doing something bad, i just said in terms of communication they are not much better than ED.
Well Ed has at least a Newsletter and share some info without knowing somebody, so one point for ED here.So if my opinion is BMS Team should work on Topic A but they decide to work on Topic B, they can talk about that decicion and hope people will probably understand (but people will find other things to complain about, thats for sure) or at least accept it since they know now that Topic A will be adressed later.
Currently i didnt even say one sim is better than the other. I didnt even say that your findings are wrong or anything like that all i said was thats its too early for this kind of nitpicking and that we dont set priorities for any of the dev teams and that we dont have enough informations to do so.
But it seems like its not possible to talk in a somewhat neutral manner here, since now slowly the bashing of me, that bad person not telling that DCS F-16 is sooooooooooo bad, begins.
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And on my side I have no more things to say. My two last posts on ED forum has been suppressed because it was unpleasant to read that I consider the pefo bug a showstopper rather than just high priority. So … I’ll stop to report anything else from there. For now I will just “count the points”. My last PM with Wags was to offer them the right sound sample for the missile launch tone because they have accidentally added one sound from BMS install and it wasn’t the correct tone since it was a M2000 tone.
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i just said in terms of communication they are not much better than ED.
I must disagree with you here. A couple of us are hanging around on the FL Discord channel, and if asked something, we sure try to answer, same goes usually here on the forums.
Regarding priorities - Knowing (more or less) what each active BMS Dev does, I can say that priorities and subjective selection of each Dev on what to work, actually turn into a pretty well set of features. 1 problem is maybe that not everything we work on you can see, so possibly people on the outside may think that we have a priorities issue. I don’t think we have.
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… even in case of priority issues … We are not working in full regular professional daily work basis managed by a project manager with a defined objectives and road map … etc … We are working on what is possible when it is possible.
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… even in case of priority issues … We are not working in full regular professional daily work basis managed by a project manager with a defined objectives and road map … etc … We are working on what is possible when it is possible.
I think it depends and I’ll even say it’s very subjective to the topic in discussion. Some topics, Maybe I can even call them milestones of BMS Development, have a VERY clear Roadmap, I’d even dare to say sometimes better than how professional companies work. Such milestones open more possibilities in a way that many other Devs can work towards new features. OTOH, usually “gameplay” stuff, and also avionics, can be developed “on the fly”. If a coder decide tomorrow to start working on a new system, it’s like he is opening a new door that was closed until now and starts to fill the internal room with features and changes, usually such changes have their own “tiny roadmap”, and it’s being developed with some sense and order.
However, most stuff is born by personal initiatives rather than long discussions on “where are we going and what we should aim for now”. I think it was always like that in Falcon development world and particularly in BMS. But I don’t know if it’s better or worse, sometimes having a manager that tell you what you need to do may be less productive than letting each Dev find his own interest and just flow with it. From what I see, awesome things are being born this way but the magnificent people of my team
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Yep but I take my “BMS Hollidays” when I want without asking any boss and for the duration I choose But I don’t because I like you so much.
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Why compare how ED and BMS respond or have publicity? One is a commercial company, its workers are earning money and the decisions are made based on this because thats how a company works, even in game dev. Another one is a loose community of people (not even like minded i imagine) who contribute and develop a project for free. Even by perverse logic of “im a customer, you owe me your attention” BMS is not part of this. It’s pretty cool that some of the devs take time to respond and share or look at crashlogs, hang out at forums and answer questions - in their way of course, but its really a side perk.
And lets please not forget what role a roadmap plays - a very effective marketing tool. I know that, cause i make them It’s incredible how well roadmaps work to convince customers and its not just in game development. “It’s on the roadmap, so it’s there.” Haha. Of course. Same goes for alpha, beta, early access and so on.
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I must disagree with you here. A couple of us are hanging around on the FL Discord channel, and if asked something, we sure try to answer, same goes usually here on the forums.
Isn’t it a rule here that you are not supposed to ask what future updates will bring? I thought it was the case here that BMS devs generally don’t talk about what the future holds for BMS with regard to updates.
And just 2 days ago I asked a question out of curiosity why the ATC was changed with regard to being handed over to departure in U1. So far that question has not been answered… -
Yes, as a general rule the BMS team policy is to not talk about future work. Not because we don’t want to, but there are other reasons for that.
However, Some WIP work is still being showed, especially WRT art development and 3D models. And if you read carefully between the lines of some threads, me and other BMS Devs sometimes spread rumors which may suggest what may be coming.Regarding your ATC question - Not all Devs know all the answers (me for instance can’t help much with ATC issues) and sometimes specific Devs are needed to answer specific questions or investigate a bug report. Sometimes the specific Dev that is the one to look at such issue is simply not around, maybe busy with his RL, maybe on vacation, who knows.
We try to do our best to answer everyone, for sure it’s not always perfect, but we try. If we didn’t care then I wouldn’t be writing this post at all.
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Isn’t it a rule here that you are not supposed to ask what future updates will bring?
If yes I
m sure it is to avoid shitstorms when we don
t get what is said we get.(you know "I didnt get what they told I
ll get!Thats outrageous! I pay for the internets! ).For the same reason we don`t get ETAs (Even Eagle Dynamics dont give ETA, and when they do they are late by years ex. “two weeks”). -
Can someone tell me what supersonic aerodynamic phenomenon is happening to DCS plane in the 01:00 minute mark?
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Can someone tell me what supersonic aerodynamic phenomenon is happening to DCS plane in the 01:00 minute mark?
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Not specifically. The only thing I can say is that they don’t have Mav-jp.