Baltic Reboot
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I understand but 17k objectives when the BMS team keeps it under 8k is indeed pushing it a bit far.
My goal is not doing a tech demo like it was intended originally. I am trying to make something that is usable in an MP campaign environment without running at 9 fps…Right now the campaign I built has 5k objectives and that far enough since I covered more ground than the original one.
I will leave the eye “candyness” for when the new terrain engine is out but still will try to add a couple buildings here and there…Next focus is on 4.35… We’ll see what can be used from there and take advantage of all the new stuff that has been baking
Cheers
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We have found lots of airbases with trees on the runways. Just a report! Thanks for the wonderful job!!
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Send me a PM with the ones you have seen.
I am surprised since I checked all of them by hand.
Cheers
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under 8k objectives? I believe most theaters are under 3k - 4k objectives.
17k objectives with an average of 2 features goes 34k features and with 4 goes skyrocket 68k features.
Not all are deagregated but I believe you get the analogy which is 3 - 4 times what current theaters have.
I don’t know how fast calculations are done, maybe depending and on hw, but I believe there should be a limit so that the code can complete the calculations, and I don;t know what happens if calculations are not finished… let’s say u have 17k and code calculates for 10k what happens with the rest 7k? not and never updated? or the whole process delays and comes to wanting 1.5 time instead of 1? Maybe the black magic should be deconstructed and reconstructed… one of the reasons many times I was talking about multithreading specifically for those calculation in order to do it right , fast and why not pump objectives to double that…
Now besides those 17k objectives I believe the code has and all the calculations of units, vehicles, weapons, production and resupply, now if those are also 4times more then it’s rather an ouch… sure good to test and take it to the limit, but once you know the limit, if you don’t know the limit… sounds like your super hard work could be not performing as you would expect, and even worst if it’s the cause of problematic execution. Black magic is hard to decipher.In the waaaaay past ITO went 6k and it had an impact on fps, with no estimation or experience recorded for campaign and calculations… They went 2k and things got better.
Personally I would go either upwards from 3k in steps of 1k each time or backwards from 17k down by 2k cause 17k are way high I believe considering what was already in theaters.
Just for reference:
KTO has 2.685 objectives
ITO has 1.993 objectives
EMF has 6.068 objectives
And in general 128seg theaters are not sugar and pedals as we all know.Those seem to work fine in regard to objectives numbers. I’m not saying stay to those numbers cause they are… they were told to stay there… and we all know what a pain is to massively add objectives.
Now this (going step by step) induces the issue of spreading the objectives uniformly by category… but no pain no gain…
And 8k might(?) be a good limit for the time being to test and observe.
sure a real case scenario would need about a million of objectives and features for the theaters falcon has, but falcon already has the most populated objectives and units so let’s keep the ball down and see how it goes and what the future could bring.
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Ram22 / Cloud 9, for almost 10 years, I’ve been following this community and haven’t seen anything in completed form from you, just very bold claims. Please don’t interfere and discourage other creators.
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Ram22 / Cloud 9, for almost 10 years, I’ve been following this community and haven’t seen anything in completed form from you, just very bold claims. Please don’t interfere and discourage other creators.
You dont have to be so harsh lol
@Arty mmmmm lets see what will happend if Ill double the objects in ITO (or at least 1.5x)
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@AsafBoy:
You dont have to be so harsh lol
@Arty mmmmm lets see what will happend if Ill double the objects in ITO (or at least 1.5x)
well for a super trooper pc back then ITO was ok… and yea 2k are rather low I’d say…
I personally would go 8k… It’s easier to reduce than to populate… sure you can gather all 8k and flag them like 4k 5k 6k 7k 8k in your source files and then just pop them in in steps… but redoing links etc… ouch.
So if you have them in you just erase them.
And maybe in TE you could have way more (maybe go crazy) but for the campaign caution and a limit should be considered.
So more over the xk steps needs flag’s for campaigns… -
And as Polak just pointed out to me if you observe in MC in Objectives TAB it says Max:8000.
So 8K is the limit gent’s and gal’s…expect nothing good going beyond this…
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Ram22 / Cloud 9, for almost 10 years, I’ve been following this community and haven’t seen anything in completed form from you, just very bold claims. Please don’t interfere and discourage other creators.
I can’t help it that you’re ignorant of the facts, thats your problem!! I’ve contributed many things to the community over the last 20 years, including a few things as favors for the BMS team! By the way, what have you contributed to the Falcon community in your wee “almost” 10 years? Besides, I don’t need your validation to know what I have contributed. As far as I’m concerned you’re a pup with no bone!
Look at FreeFalcon, you will see my Callsign on the opening splash screen and on the FF credits!!!
Show me one thing that is completely completed in Falcon and I’ll show you how to make gold out of a grain of salt!!!
I didn’t discourage anyone from doing anything. Not sure where you come up with that?? More ignorance? Guess so!!
C9
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Gents, this is no place for rant…
Let’s keep the right spirit and content creation for our favorite sim!
Cheers
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Ram22 / Cloud 9, for almost 10 years, I’ve been following this community and haven’t seen anything in completed form from you, just very bold claims. Please don’t interfere and discourage other creators.
I don’t understand the need to say that to someone on this forum, and especially not to someone that is active for so many years in the Falcon community. Sometimes, due to the sim’s limitations, some people try to explore new ways to do things, such tries may not always succeed but even failed tries should be respected because we (I mean everyone) may learn from them.
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If the limit is 8k, I would accept a compromise to reach 8k, everybody should be happy in this way.
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@I-hawk - C9 have history with promised contribution for theater and campaign creation and in the end, he abandons the project.
With Ostsee / Baltic theater is the latest example, he has promised an conversion for 4.34 and he claims he have been working on it, but has nothing to show.
Now MaxWaldorf have done something about it with real results and contribution to this community and C9 is attacking him, so this is the reason for my comment.
@ MaxWaldorf - sorry for disturbing the topic, this is my last comment on the matter.
Cheers.
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If the limit is 8k, I would accept a compromise to reach 8k, everybody should be happy in this way.
I dont think is a good idea for an MP theater. If its for SP its ok-ish but still not the best results… Tried it with Nam…
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It’s not IF. IT IS the limit.
Beyond that things get ugly.Στάλθηκε από το MI 5 μου χρησιμοποιώντας Tapatalk
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MC crashes anyway over that number and nothing good comes out of it
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It’s not IF. IT IS the limit.
Beyond that things get ugly.Στάλθηκε από το MI 5 μου χρησιμοποιώντας Tapatalk
I dont argue in that, the IF went to Single Player Campaign. In MP for sure things will get ugly
MC crashes anyway over that number and nothing good comes out of it
Really? Never happened to me for some reason…. strange…
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Single or mp the campaign ain’t the same code wise?
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@I-hawk - C9 have history with promised contribution for theater and campaign creation and in the end, he abandons the project.
With Ostsee / Baltic theater is the latest example, he has promised an conversion for 4.34 and he claims he have been working on it, but has nothing to show.
I am the one who took the then Baltic Theater with Tom’s permission and fixed all the bugs and added more that was missing and re-released it for 4.33 ON MY OWN DAMN TIME!
Once again, what ONE single thing have you done to contribute to the community besides your MOUTH?? I’ll wait.
Where do you keep coming up with this garbage. Show me where I attacked Max! When our conversation about data rate(points) ended, I cordially exited with a post:
@Cloud:
I’m not criticizing your decision to do what you are doing, was just asking question as to why you and whoever, think what you are thinking.
Anyway, carry on!
That’s all!
Cheers,
Like I said earlier, I work a full time job, I have health issues, I’m going on 60 years old and you want to sit here and talk SHIT about some sort of history of mine(which you have no clue of), with regards to something I do on MY FREE TIME for the the community, and you have a problem with that and want to sit here whining about it!! You’re so ignorant of the facts it’s disgusting!!
I haven’t abandoned anything, I still work on all the projects I have going on. You don’t even have a scintilla of a clue what you are talking about, just whining is all you do!!
By the way, because you are SO ignorant of the facts! Do you know how long it took for the Israel theater to see light? 15 years! Tony(Ranger), came on to the FF team and made a deal with us, that if he did some DB work for FF that we would in turn help him get it up and running, it still took us 18 more months go get it into the FF install! Do you know how long BMS was in the dark before it seen light, something like 7 years before they went public! Just like the BMS team doesn’t talk about upcoming releases or what they’re working on, one of the same reasons I no longer post what I’m working on is because there are people like you who are so impatient asking all the time and begging for stuff. When it gets here, it will get here. There are still 20 year old theaters that were at PMC that STILL haven’t seen the light of day. Stop whining and crying about it!!
What is your problem? Get a LIFE!!
C9
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Ladies Please, stop bickering