BMS Other Fighters Mafia (BMSOFM) Journal
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Hi,
EA-18G - is the electronic warfare version derivated from F-18F(dual seat)
CF-18 - canadian version of A and B
F-18C - single seat, new version of F-18A
F-18D - dual seat, new version of F-18B
F-18E - superhornet, new version of F-18C
F-18F - superhornet, new version of F-18DI know that F-18C has the TGP issue BMS 4.35. Don´t know about others.
Lolo_salsal,
In Mission Commander, the CF-18 is actually called the CF-188. CF-188 is the actual official designation by the Canadian Air Force. I believe BMS’ core files also call it the CF-188. Thus if you are doing work/changes to the CF-188 core files, you won’t find any denotation to the term CF-18. The CF-18 is just a nickname that has developed over the years. Kind of how the CF-116 is the actual CAF designation for the F-5A/B.
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I see , thanks ! This kind of things is quite confusing !
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I’m currently experiencing a new kind of error(for me !) in LE : " Maximum stack counter encountered " , as I was trying to edit the Bug LOD in 1799 . It prevents me to save the modification , so there’s no modification at all possible . Does anyone knows about what it means ?
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Hi drtbkj ,
I began to check the F-18 LODs , but I must admit I’m quite confused with all this variants . The Hornet is a plane I’m really discovering !
A thing that would help me much would be :
1/ A little explanation : What are the differences between EA -18 , CF-18 , F-18 etc …? I already googled them and so far , for me the difference seems to me that some are export variants of the F-18 . But, I would need to be explained which variant is derivated from which F-18 (A, C ? D etc… ) . It’s important to me because it could point me to the right LOD to(to try to ! ) fix .
2/ I would need to be absolutely sure of which variants or sub-variant are concerned by the TGP issue ?
Honoured to have been hired by the Fighter Mafia ! I hope I could be of some help . We’ll see . Wish me good luck !
Hi, Compadre,
Firstly, thanks to Masudanimal and Chuckles for the info.
Lolo, although we’re starting out focusing on the F-18C, for reasons previously stated, we did receive a request here to look into the EA-18G. I don’t know if the OP solved his problem, as we have not heard from him lately.
Chuckles, I’ve not seen or heard about a TGP problem in the 4.35 F-18C, specifically, beyond the known issue of masking if you set Config to internal. What have you heard? The C has some, seemingly realist, masking of the TGP on Station 5 if a drop tank is on Station 3
BTW, In RL you can help this by putting the drops in Stations 5 and 7. However, in 4.34 when you did this you would often get a TRP FUEL warning (Viper carryover). I haven’t tested this in 4.35 -
Hi Lolo
The EF-18 is the Spanish version of the F-18A, very modernized. The cockpit is that of the F-18A, but with the MDF in color. As TGP, mount the Lithening in station 5
Or in the standard position of the ATFLIR
The CF188 is the Canadian version of the F-18A, also very modernized, with the cockpit of the F-18A, but with the MDF in color. As TGP mount the Sniper, in the ATFLIR position, and I imagine that also in the central position they will be able to carry it, although I have not seen any pictures of it. Let’s see if a Canadian can confirm it for us
The RAAF F-18 is also a highly modernized F-18A, at the level of the USN’s F-18C. Like the Spanish plane, it mounts the Lithening from TGP, in the same positions, in the central and in the ATFLIR position
In all versions, in addition to the current TGP, they can mount the old ATFLIR
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Hi Lolo
The EF-18 is the Spanish version of the F-18A, very modernized. The cockpit is that of the F-18A, but with the MDF in color. As TGP, mount the Lithening in station 5
Or in the standard position of the ATFLIR
The CF188 is the Canadian version of the F-18A, also very modernized, with the cockpit of the F-18A, but with the MDF in color. As TGP mount the Sniper, in the ATFLIR position, and I imagine that also in the central position they will be able to carry it, although I have not seen any pictures of it. Let’s see if a Canadian can confirm it for us
The RAAF F-18 is also a highly modernized F-18A, at the level of the USN’s F-18C. Like the Spanish plane, it mounts the Lithening from TGP, in the same positions, in the central and in the ATFLIR position
In all versions, in addition to the current TGP, they can mount the old ATFLIR
Hi, Fresco,
We had gotten an earlier request- "Hi bugs,We are facing troubles with TGP in EF-18 (not sure if happens in other versions).
Please, could you have a look?
https://bmsbugs.blu3wolf.com/view.php?id=31
We don’t remember how to solve this."
At first I thought EF-18 was a typo for a Growler, so I’m glad you wrote. I’m not having any problems on the C, with ATFLIR on Station 4. I’ll try to tweak things with Editor and get it on Station 5 , Maybe I can repro
Update: Tanks to the Editor, I rigged a Litening on Station 5 and did not get any masking.
Hopefully, the Op will write back wit what problems he’s having.
Meanwhile, Lolo, if I might make a suggestion…what do you think about going into config, set the TGP to internal ("switch #1#) ,and check out what masking you get. Maybe if we can figure that out, we can help the OP? -
I believe that the position of the TGP in the F-18 RAAF is correct. Everything works fine there.
However, this afternoon I try to check it exactly and tell you.Thanks for the job.
Fresco
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Hi all!
I’m not having any problems on the C, with ATFLIR on Station 4
That’s what I was checking yesterday evening . Same result , it seemed to show only “normal” masking . I was about to ask if it was really an issue ? Now , I’m sure it’s not !
TGP in the F-18 RAAF is correct
Was trying this too ; same conclusion and behavior as for the C(edit : it’s a C too !!! -edit-Fresco explained it’s a A , but BMS considers it’s a C in the .dat**** , that’s confusing) . But as I lack of experience on the Hornet , I was wondering if it was normal or not .
set the TGP to internal ("switch #1#) ,and check out what masking you get.
Was on my to do list , before I fell asleep …
-edit- but one question: this plane isn’t supposed to be fitted with an internal pod, not ?
-edit2- I did some testing , and for me stting TGP on 1 shows the good old “internal masking issue” . Only one thing , maybe I have found smg to do to avoid any kind of masking with external pod , but I need to dig . It can work , but if it does, there will be a little drawback . I’ll report later .
Where can I find the EF-18 mentionned above ?
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Lolo, although we’re starting out focusing on the F-18C, for reasons previously stated, we did receive a request here to look into the EA-18G.
I just checked its .dat file(EA-18 ) , and according to it it’s not supposed to carry an internal pod . It’s a good news , because there are good chances that my tweak will work on it .
-EDIT- but sorry for this question : Is the EA-18 is supposed to carry a TGP ? I just discovering the Hornet but I thought the EA-18 was an EW plane ? So no need to carry TGPs ?
One thing my experience learned me is that TGP masking issues happened very likely when trying to mount a TGP on a plane that normally doesn’t …
Could someone explain this to me ?
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Lolo, the EF-18 is the Spanish versión of F/A-18. The TGP used is standar ATFLIR, or the Lithening, in the same positión of ATFLIR, or in the ventral position.
The electronic atack versión is te EF-18G Growler, and no, it does not carry tgp.
Fresco
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The electronic atack versión is te EF-18G Growler, and no, it does not carry tgp.
So still , my question remain pendant :
we did receive a request here to look into the EA-18G.
If it doesn’t carries TGP, how this person could have a issue with the TGP ? What are we supposed to look at ?
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Fresco, the CF-188/CF-18 jets received a major mid life upgrade a couple of years ago. This included major structural updates like barrel sections as well as a major avionics update. Other than a few flight deck updates, the CF-188, postmod is essentially equivalent to the US Navy F/A-18C minus the landing gear. The CF-188 just like the EF-18 has standard runway landing gear. Thus making the jet several hundred pounds lighter than the carrier based versions.
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…not exactly. CF-188/CF-18 jets were initially equivalent to Navy A+ jets…and the only difference in the Landing Gear is that the CF jets have dummy Launch Bars - they are not CV capable; the Launch Bar gear is there as a counter weight to prevent NWS shimmy - once upon a time they tried to remove it altogether as a cost savings since the CF doesn’t do CV ops, but they encountered a shimmy problem and the fix was to re-install the counter weight - a CF pilot told me this. Other than the exception for the Launch Bar system, USN, CF, and Spanish Hornets ALL have the same landing gear.
There are also a lot of engineering changes between A and C jets - they look similar on the outside, but they are nowhere near “the same”. The CAF were the first FMS Hornet Customer (if Spain didn’t beat them to it…I forget) and so all of their jets are A+/A++ jets plus any avionics updates the CF have done on their own.
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I just checked its .dat file(EA-18 ) , and according to it it’s not supposed to carry an internal pod . It’s a good news , because there are good chances that my tweak will work on it .
-EDIT- but sorry for this question : Is the EA-18 is supposed to carry a TGP ? I just discovering the Hornet but I thought the EA-18 was an EW plane ? So no need to carry TGPs ?
One thing my experience learned me is that TGP masking issues happened very likely when trying to mount a TGP on a plane that normally doesn’t …
Could someone explain this to me ?
Masking has to do with where you mount the pod on the jet - all Hornet variants mount the ATFLIR or LITENING in the same location - left cheek or centerline (centerline for LITENING only, an only on USMC A-D models) - and so they all have the same masking characteristics per model; which also vary depending on store load out.
From what I can tell, the Viper has fewer masking concerns simply because of where the Sniper is mounted on the inlet, and as such the Viper masking model will not be anywhere near representative of a Hornet.
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If it doesn’t carries TGP, how this person could have a issue with the TGP ? What are we supposed to look at ?
Lolo, the problem is the TGP in the Spanish F-18, or EF-18 (in Spanhis, Spain is España, hence the E). As far as I know, in the EF-18G there are no problems in the TGP, since it should not carry TGP.
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Fresco, the CF-188/CF-18 jets received a major mid life upgrade a couple of years ago. This included major structural updates like barrel sections as well as a major avionics update. Other than a few flight deck updates, the CF-188, postmod is essentially equivalent to the US Navy F/A-18C minus the landing gear. The CF-188 just like the EF-18 has standard runway landing gear. Thus making the jet several hundred pounds lighter than the carrier based versions.
Yes, Chuckles, the repeated modifications of the CF-188 have brought them practically to the level of the F-18C of the USN, with change of the radar, radios, Link-16 and even HMCS, practically like the Australians (obviously they are not exactly equal to the units of the USN, because as Stevie says, both avionics and radios, etc., are indigenous, not the Navy standard).
The modifications in the Spanish have been much slower, without change of radar, or structural reinforcements. without a doubt they are the least evolved.
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Lolo, the problem is the TGP in the Spanish F-18, or EF-18 (in Spanhis, Spain is España, hence the E). As far as I know, in the EF-18G there are no problems in the TGP, since it should not carry TGP.
…“EA-18G” is the proper designation for a Growler.
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EF-18G there are no problems in the TGP, since it should not carry TGP.
but, at the same time,
Quoted by drtbkj :
Lolo, although we’re starting out focusing on the F-18C, for reasons previously stated, we did receive a request here to look into the EA-18G
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That’s what I try to explain : EA-18 G ,Issue or not issue ? That’s the question … sounds like even Bugs pilots are melting both name
For the Spanish variant EF-18 , I would like to have a look but another of my question I asked before is still pendant too : Where can I find it ?
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In the DB figure as EF-18M Hornet Spaf
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Thanks,I’ve just seen it too(in FE) .
But there’s no EF-18 Sq at all in the entire KTO (I’ve just checked too) . Or I’m missing something more ?
-EDIT- nevermind, i almost forgot MC …