Warthog F-16 Joystick vs. CH Pro - anyone made the switch to TM?
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Stick arrived today, set it up identically to my good ol CH Fighterstick with the added exception of having the 1st detent (Lase) of the trigger press actually being a separate entity to the 2nd detent (Fire Guns) and the Paddle switch being set as the “Paddle Switch” (whatever that does i’ll have to learn). I can report that it has 0 “stiction” issues and is perfectly smooth. I don’t find the spring tension to be too strong either, and that’s coming from a 0 tension CH. Have yet to test in flight but do not forsee any issues, very pleased so far and my new Deltasims SLEW mod is supposedly coming this week also…
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Fantastic! In general the Paddle switch cancels the Autopilot…I think it does some other things too, but that’s the basic.
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Fantastic! In general the Paddle switch cancels the Autopilot…I think it does some other things too, but that’s the basic.
Thx Stevie, maybe i’ll use it as a “DX Shift” or something, AP is pretty well covered…
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Thanks for posting that picture of the work-in-progress Winwing gear, Tazz!
When I saw the F-16 TQS in that picture, I just about had a heart attack!
… I mean in a good way! :clap2:
Of course, it would need to have a good throttle position sensor, good enough to do AAR. I hope they don’t skimp on that sensor. Nor on the RDR CURSOR thumbstick. But if they do a good job on those things, that would be a sweet piece of gear.
Fingers crossed! :pray2:
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Thx Stevie, maybe i’ll use it as a “DX Shift” or something, AP is pretty well covered…
I like to used CMS->dwn as a shift key because it isn’t used for anything in the Viper. This way I can retain all of my basic Viper HOTAS functions as basic and directly assigned.
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On any stick I used I always had the Pinky button as Pinky and shift as any button that needs to be pressed with the thumb makes it pretty useless as shift button on the stick as you can’t press any other button with your thumb
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CMS-Down turns on the jammer AFAIR
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That’s another reason I like CMS->dwn as a shift key. On the WH stick it simply amounts to “squeezing” the stick. I use the combination of CMS->dwn and Pinky to command Ejection, forex. I don’t assign any other shift functions to any of my Stick switches because BMS takes care of what I need them all to do for me. So my thumb is never trying to pull double duty.
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CMS-Down turns on the jammer AFAIR
That may be for the Warthog, but not for the Viper. A RL Viper stick doesn’t have that switch position and that’s why it’s not accounted for/used in BMS.
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Depends on your setup. I have a few function like Visor, NVG flip Kneeboard Pages, AVTR, on my stick hats as shift layers. Therefore using Pinky switch and finger for shifting leaves more options open
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Yes - if you want to go “off-script” with your HOTAS then that’s another consideration. I try to keep mine strictly in line with the RL aircraft, otherwise what’s the point of spending all that money on a set of RL representative controls ?
Once I have my cockpit built and have an actual Ejection handle, I’ll probably kill my shift option…right now the only one I use is to eject.
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In the -34, pages 18+20, it is stated that CMS-Right sets the jammer to standby (music off), CMS-Down turns it on.
Is that incorrect ?
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Unshifted layer as close to RL for sure.
But even any RL Military simulator I have been trained on had either a shift layer or additional inputs for RL functions that don’t have a system input representation in the real vehicleGesendet von meinem SM-G930F mit Tapatalk
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Btw, Winwing Orion (a Chinese simulation gear manufacturer) is now also working on a F-16 FLCS and TQS (complete with the correct lift-gate for the ident and AB).
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/764384530832031744/826759774079156254/45i0rurhrgp61.png
It’s still in development but their F-18 HOTAS kits are now landing in the community, I’m awaiting additional reviews but I’m rather excited to see another option appearing, alongside the likes of Virpil.
Store link: https://wwsimstore.com/STORE
At $500 USD, this is look like a very impressive piece of kit:
https://wwsimstore.com/upload/picture/2021-03-22/upload_be6dea4b3c3b966aef03af42c859e3f7.jpg
Ok, just curious…This was posted on April 1st. And the “wwsimstore” link is just a “502 Bad gateway”! I’m suspicious!! :suspicious:
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Ok, just curious…This was posted on April 1st. And the “wwsimstore” link is just a “502 Bad gateway”! I’m suspicious!! :suspicious:
Already announced back in October by winwing
https://www.facebook.com/winwing.cn/videos/808258543340346/Gesendet von meinem SM-G930F mit Tapatalk
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Unshifted layer as close to RL for sure.
But even any RL Military simulator I have been trained on had either a shift layer or additional inputs for RL functions that don’t have a system input representation in the real vehicleGesendet von meinem SM-G930F mit Tapatalk
The Trainers I fly regularly have no such thing as “shift layers”. But their (RL) HOTAS implementation/mapping does make BMS look like a toy…
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I just received my Winwing(WW) Orion HOTAS…price $583.00 out the door. I ordered on the 6/17/21 and it arrived in Alabama on 6/23/21 via FedEx of course from China! It was a total of 4 boxes for the throttle and stick, I quickly unboxed them with feelings of being a little kid on Christmas…assembly required! Winwings customer support is very responsive via email within 24hrs. I was concerned about Key binding for Falcon BMS 4.35 because the throttle base panel: switches, dials, and axis were not recognized in BMS but in the WW sim app pro they all were active/operational! WW response:
Thank you very much for your support.
The BMS is too old and can not support 128 key hardware, please go simapp>test page of orion base, there is a selection to 4x32key device ,change to that model, you will have 4 device in BMS.I followed the instructions given and opened Falcon_BMS_Alternative_Launcher_v1.60. Voilà! Everything worked on the stick , throttle, and throttle panel…what a sigh of relief? Now, Im trying to get things setup the way I had my TM cougar throttle and stick well over a decade ago!
POP QUIZ: Is there still a such thing as stick profiles and does anyone have one for Winwing(WW) Orion HOTAS? If so, please point me in the direction where I can get one…this is what I do miss about my TM cougar throttle and stick!
PS: WinWing sim app pro is geared for DCS only my opinion…I guess us Falconer’s are considered obsolete…HA HA LOL!
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@skulldragger said in Warthog F-16 Joystick vs. CH Pro - anyone made the switch to TM?:
I just received my Winwing(WW) Orion HOTAS…price $583.00 out the door. I ordered on the 6/17/21 and it arrived in Alabama on 6/23/21 via FedEx of course from China! It was a total of 4 boxes for the throttle and stick, I quickly unboxed them with feelings of being a little kid on Christmas…assembly required! Winwings customer support is very responsive via email within 24hrs. I was concerned about Key binding for Falcon BMS 4.35 because the throttle base panel: switches, dials, and axis were not recognized in BMS but in the WW sim app pro they all were active/operational! WW response:
Thank you very much for your support.
The BMS is too old and can not support 128 key hardware, please go simapp>test page of orion base, there is a selection to 4x32key device ,change to that model, you will have 4 device in BMS.PS: WinWing sim app pro is geared for DCS only my opinion…I guess us Falconer’s are considered obsolete…HA HA LOL!
I found this DX32 limitation when running a TARGET script that enables DX33-128 on my WartHog HOTAS (throttle only), BMS is the only place I have to stop the script (DCS and IL2 both utilize it) but since it’s a matter of simply clicking “Stop” in the TARGET Script Editor it’s a non-issue… you have the opposite issue, having to “hobble” the WinWing with backwards compatibility for BMS. With the “Release” capability of Alt Launcher I get the same results, all switches function in all positions.
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@icer said in Warthog F-16 Joystick vs. CH Pro - anyone made the switch to TM?:
running a TARGET script that enables DX33-128 on my WartHog HOTAS (throttle only)
How, or why, would you do that? Is that to help with shift commands? Wouldn’t that cause more problems because you want less than 32?