Solved Lost all contact with aircraft in my flight.
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Have not been able to contact any aircraft in my flight, in multiple missions and even after making a new pilot to eliminate any pilot related settings. I can contact AWACS on the same channel 6. Am in contact with ATC chnl 3 and 4. I have no idea what is going on. Help.
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@jagfour said in Lost all contact with aircraft in my flight.:
I would like to make a suggestion. If UHF and VHF channels are the same then the channel numbers turn red, or flash if a colour is not an option. It would then require a decision as to which one to change to remove the clash.
You know, this kind of issue is dealt with by the pilots or engineers themselves during the life of a military platform. The processes are there to forward ideas for modifications which are examined by designers and more qualified engineers. Financial rewards are given to those who came up successful ideas. No machine is ever designed perfect. Mods are almost constant through a life of a machine. I speak from experience as I served in the Royal Airforce for 27 years as an aircraft engineer. Installed many a mod to Hawk’s, Jaguar’s and Tornado’s.
There is absolutely no clash or whatsoever
You need to RTFM and understand how your radio works
First learn the difference between channels and frequencies.
Channels are just a preset of frequencies
UHF and VHF work simultaneously and are operating on two different frequency bands so never step on each other.
You can be on UHF preset 6 andVHF preset 6 and that will be absolulty nonissue because those two presets don’t refer to the same frequency for UHF and VHF
AI wingmen are communicating on your VHF flight channel, read you comm ladder in the brief plan to know which frequency is that one.
And BTW GUARd is on RX as well
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@jagfour you use VHF for your flight and UHF for other agencies (like AWACS). To talk to any of your pilots you need to be in #1 seat (talking about AI here) and also be on the correct VHF channel. If it is a single flight package, then it would be VHF 15. If not, then you have to look up the order of flights in the briefing and add +1 for each flight that is above your (highlighted in green) flight.
Oh, and also check you loaded DTC, if you did a RAMP start.Cheers
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It’s worth reading and printing or exporting to your kneeboards your briefing. That will give you the comm ladder.
There are several options for doing that - ezboards, wdp, openkneeboards to name but a few.
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@jagfour Everything worked before 2 days ago. I am the flight leader, I have only ever used UHF (COM 1) to talk to anything, not VHF. Never used VHF, ever. Everything is AI only. I haven’t flown with humans for 20 years or so in F4. Not sure I need to worry about my kneeboard as everything is saved into the Data cassette.
Thanks for input guys but nothing new here yet. -
@jagfour said in Lost all contact with aircraft in my flight.:
@jagfour Everything worked before 2 days ago. I am the flight leader, I have only ever used UHF (COM 1) to talk to anything, not VHF. Never used VHF, ever. Everything is AI only. I haven’t flown with humans for 20 years or so in F4. Not sure I need to worry about my kneeboard as everything is saved into the Data cassette.
Thanks for input guys but nothing new here yet.AI work through VHF too.
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@LorikEolmin I am aware of that Lorik. I have good news. Issue sorted.
I thought that I could try to completely eliminate pilot settings by starting a new campaign. The issue still existed. Very frustrating.
Plan B. Lets go into 4.36 and look around for anything that may be different inside the cockpit. I scanned any switches that may be causing the problem. Nothing looked out of place, until I looked at the UFP and the DED, and after a few seconds, there it was.I exited 4.36 and loaded up 4.37. Entered the campaign and went straight into the Data cartridge and checked my Comms defaults. Sure enough, somehow I had set the VHF default to Ch 6 whilst in 4.36, it was Ch 15. Ergo, when UHF was set to Ch 6, there was a hidden clash of cultures.
So. This highlights an issue about pilot settings across campaigns. You cannot completely reset a pilot settings by loading a new campaign. Maybe this should be looked at by BMS. What settings should transfer with you across campaigns? Do they go with you to other theatres?
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@jagfour said in Lost all contact with aircraft in my flight.:
@LorikEolmin I am aware of that Lorik. I have good news. Issue sorted.
I thought that I could try to completely eliminate pilot settings by starting a new campaign. The issue still existed. Very frustrating.
Plan B. Lets go into 4.36 and look around for anything that may be different inside the cockpit. I scanned any switches that may be causing the problem. Nothing looked out of place, until I looked at the UFP and the DED, and after a few seconds, there it was.I exited 4.36 and loaded up 4.37. Entered the campaign and went straight into the Data cartridge and checked my Comms defaults. Sure enough, somehow I had set the VHF default to Ch 6 whilst in 4.36, it was Ch 15. Ergo, when UHF was set to Ch 6, there was a hidden clash of cultures.
So. This highlights an issue about pilot settings across campaigns. You cannot completely reset a pilot settings by loading a new campaign. Maybe this should be looked at by BMS. What settings should transfer with you across campaigns? Do they go with you to other theatres?
I fly several different campaigns simultaneously and never have any issue.
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I would like to make a suggestion. If UHF and VHF channels are the same then the channel numbers turn red, or flash if a colour is not an option. It would then require a decision as to which one to change to remove the clash.
You know, this kind of issue is dealt with by the pilots or engineers themselves during the life of a military platform. The processes are there to forward ideas for modifications which are examined by designers and more qualified engineers. Financial rewards are given to those who came up successful ideas. No machine is ever designed perfect. Mods are almost constant through a life of a machine. I speak from experience as I served in the Royal Airforce for 27 years as an aircraft engineer. Installed many a mod to Hawk’s, Jaguar’s and Tornado’s.
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@jagfour said in Lost all contact with aircraft in my flight.:
I would like to make a suggestion. If UHF and VHF channels are the same then the channel numbers turn red, or flash if a colour is not an option. It would then require a decision as to which one to change to remove the clash.
You know, this kind of issue is dealt with by the pilots or engineers themselves during the life of a military platform. The processes are there to forward ideas for modifications which are examined by designers and more qualified engineers. Financial rewards are given to those who came up successful ideas. No machine is ever designed perfect. Mods are almost constant through a life of a machine. I speak from experience as I served in the Royal Airforce for 27 years as an aircraft engineer. Installed many a mod to Hawk’s, Jaguar’s and Tornado’s.
Can you give a more technical description of your “clash of culture”? There is no cross over between UHF and VHF.
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@jagfour said in Lost all contact with aircraft in my flight.:
I would like to make a suggestion. If UHF and VHF channels are the same then the channel numbers turn red, or flash if a colour is not an option. It would then require a decision as to which one to change to remove the clash.
You know, this kind of issue is dealt with by the pilots or engineers themselves during the life of a military platform. The processes are there to forward ideas for modifications which are examined by designers and more qualified engineers. Financial rewards are given to those who came up successful ideas. No machine is ever designed perfect. Mods are almost constant through a life of a machine. I speak from experience as I served in the Royal Airforce for 27 years as an aircraft engineer. Installed many a mod to Hawk’s, Jaguar’s and Tornado’s.
There is absolutely no clash or whatsoever
You need to RTFM and understand how your radio works
First learn the difference between channels and frequencies.
Channels are just a preset of frequencies
UHF and VHF work simultaneously and are operating on two different frequency bands so never step on each other.
You can be on UHF preset 6 andVHF preset 6 and that will be absolulty nonissue because those two presets don’t refer to the same frequency for UHF and VHF
AI wingmen are communicating on your VHF flight channel, read you comm ladder in the brief plan to know which frequency is that one.
And BTW GUARd is on RX as well
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@jagfour said in Lost all contact with aircraft in my flight.:
am the flight leader, I have only ever used UHF (COM 1) to talk to anything, not VHF. Never used VHF, ever. Everything is AI only.
If it helps eliminate doubt, the DED will highlight which radio you’re transmitting on. Even when issuing AI comms – here I’m asking status for my AI wingmen…
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The issue has been fixed.
The reason was that for an unknown reason, I just cannot remember why it happened, the default VHF channel had been changed to ch 6 in the data cartridge. Because I have never changed the Com 2 channel, ever. I have only ever changed channel on Comm 1, using channels 3, 4, 5, 6. I only launch from the runway as I do not wish to use time up flicking switches or waiting in queues. I had missed the point that I need ch 15 to speak to my flight.
There is no bug. There is no need for my idea for channel numbers to flash if both comms are selected with the same channel number.
It is noted though, that nobody saw that I was not able to speak to my flight because I did not have ch 15 selected. Nor was anything to do with frequencies relevant to the problem, as all relevant frequencies are loaded into the DC.
Someone advised me to read f***ing manuals. Believe me, 27 years servicing the Hawk, Jaguar and Tornado requires a hell of a lot of reading manuals. You cannot make anything up when servicing an aircraft, or it will fall out of the sky. -
@jagfour said in Lost all contact with aircraft in my flight.: I had missed the point that I need ch 15 to speak to my flight.
It is noted though, that nobody saw that I was not able to speak to my flight because I did not have ch 15 selected. Nor was anything to do with frequencies relevant to the problem, as all relevant frequencies are loaded into the DC.Someone advised me to read f***ing manuals.
Funny, I saw that you were using the radio incorrectly after reading your first post as you did not have the UHF/VHF set correctly. Also, Channel 15 is just a preset and it is not always correct, depends on the packages involved. Could be 16 or 17, at times I’ve had to use the actual freq. I would get used to either taking a pic of the briefing showing comms frequencies or learn how to upload the info to your kneeboards using WDP. Maybe consider reducing the hostility and aggression, you will get a lot more help… RTFM is a standard response here, and if you had you never would have had to post…