help with programming Cougar Hotas with Foxy/Korgy software
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@Tomcattwo
Thanks for the help Tomcattwo!
I was using the same name of the .tmm file. I only changes the name of the new tmj. file so that I had a way to revert back to the working original tmj.I am not sure what you mean by having a line in the tmj file mentioning which tmm file to use. I will look at my old files from the old Falcon 3.0 , 4.0 lead pursuit days.
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@huffer2
See my post above.
R/
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@Tomcattwo
reading this now…I think you have the issue solved. Pilot error!!!I will try this out now.
THANKS FOR YOU IMPUT
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I was using the same name of the .tmm file. I only changes the name of the new tmj. file so that I had a way to revert back to the working original tmj.
A good habit to get into is: whenever you change the name of the .tmj file, change the name of the .tmm file to match identically.
I am not sure what you mean by having a line in the tmj file mentioning which tmm file to use. I will look at my old files from the old Falcon 3.0 , 4.0 lead pursuit days.
Maybe this is the issue.Make sure your .tmj file has the proper USE MDEF statement, as I described above.
Regards,
Tomcattwo
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TC2,
ALL IS WELL! you answered my prayer!
I think I had a brain fart. Completely forgot that required USE MDEF line.
Huffer <SALUTE> -
M8, but why?
Why are you using keyboard macros instead DX buttons?BMS has moved to DX especially because to move away from keyboard emulation. - and now you’re going backwards
I can help with Foxy how much you want…
Cheers
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@white_fang
I am comfortable with programming my cougar hotas with foxy. Just old school.
Target software is too new to me, prefer to avoid. I do use Target for the two MFDs. I did use DX to map the Simgear ICP. When I started with falcon BMS a few
years ago, I was unsure how to program DX on my Hotas, reading the manual was overmyhead.
Tomcattwo answered my issue and everything is working great.
My next step for me is to start using a voice program to comm with the AI.
Any suggestions?
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@huffer2 said in help with programming Cougar Hotas with Foxy/Korgy software:
I am comfortable with programming my cougar hotas with foxy. Just old school.
Nothing wrong with old school. But technology marches onward! Most of the DX work is done already by the keyfiles. It is the most realistic way to set up the HOTAS, and will match function descriptions in the BMS manuals.
It’s relatively easy to add “shifted” commands (I.e. using S3 in) to the keyfiles and/or HOTAS .tmj. In fact, I have, I think, the same setup as you: Cougar Stick and throttle (with rudder pedals?) + 2 x TM MFDs + a Simgears ICP. I would be happy to send you my keyfile, Cougar .tmj and .tmm files, a picture of my HOTAS Cougar Control Panel (CCP) setup, and my devicesorting.txt fiie if you wish.
I put “convenience” items on some shifted stick and throttle buttons, wheelbrakes on the paddle switch, VoiceAttack microphone activation and IVC activation on the Comms switch, via the .tmj, but really, my .tmj file is pretty small. All other shifted HOTAS buttons/switches are handled via the keyfile callbacks.
One thing I did change with respect to Cougar stick functions was on Hat 1. In the real jet (and BMS default programming), Hat 1 unshifted applies pitch trim and roll trim. I reprogrammed that so that I apply pitch trim and roll trim using SHIFTED Hat 1 inputs, leaving UNSHIFTED Hat 1 inputs for view zoom in/out (H1U and H1D) and view panning. I was concerned about accidently applying trim settings by accident, so I made trimming the aircraft a “deliberate action” by making it S3 In + H1U or H1D.
Target software is too new to me, prefer to avoid. I do use Target for the two MFDs. I did use DX to map the Simgear ICP.
I don’t use TARGET for anything, personally.
When I started with falcon BMS a few
years ago, I was unsure how to program DX on my Hotas, reading the manual was overmyhead.You don’t really “program DX on your HOTAS”. You just tell Windows to consider the HOTAS buttons as equivalent to DX buttons using 1 simple change in Cougar CCP, and then don’t program any functions to the unshifted buttons in your .tmj file.
You can have a look at mine if you wish to see what I am talking about.Tomcattwo answered my issue and everything is working great.
Happy to help. Go fly first and have some fun. Then consider how best to improve your controllers function.
My next step for me is to start using a voice program to comm with the AI.
Any suggestions?I’ve used SHOOT (old Falcon 4) , dwVAC and Voice Attack at various times. My personal favorite is Voice Attack with @SemlerPDX 's outstanding profile. It works best for me to simulate realistic comms as best I can. SemlerPDX’s profile can be found here. Another popular voice control program is FoxVox, available here..
PM me if you want my files.
BTW, I don’t use the 4.37 Alternative Launcher, which many will recommend for easier DX programming - given that it was problematically deleting/overwriting devicesorting.txt files when 4.37 was first launched. The fix for that is now more widely known. But I did enjoy making my own keyfiles. YMMV. I just prefer using the old BMS launcher because “it just works for me.”
Regards,
Tomcattwo
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@huffer2
Well, it is your show. (I was also eager to Foxy my stick in miraculous ways … but since DX … simplicity is the key)For voice, I also use VoiceAttack - someone correct me, but imho, it is probably most powerful . for, eg scripting.
I can’t say is it the best for voice recognition, as sometimes surprises me with “stupidity level” , but then again, it is win sapi (speech recogn.) - and I am clearly not the best english speaker around. - overall, we understand each otherCheers
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@Tomcattwo
Thanks for all your help. I also setup the Hat1 to be pan viewing unshifted,and trim shifted. Not sure how to PM you? It would be interesting to see how the cougar DX files look.
Do you know how I can reduce the sensetivity of the microstick? It is hard to control, but getting use to it. Maybe it can be adjusted in the cougar CCP ? -
@white_fang
Voice Attack sounds like a good start. Did you notice any reduction in frame rates by running Voice attack in BMS? Curious.
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@huffer2
No fps drop (there’s no much graphics involved with sound capture process).
It uses some cpu% (voice recognition) , of course. but even for my old “bucket” , but that is negligible.
Windows sapi is part of windows themselves so it is designed already to have minimum impact on system… it is not new tech… some 20?yrs … so, kinda , mature enough. -
@white_fang I’m not a voice attack user but I built FoxVox to handle voice control and it’s free. If you have experienced problems with the Voice Attack recognition you may want to give it a try just as an alternative. Yes, they both use the underlying MS Speech but I guarantee the how is different. I implemented a special recognition layer on top of MS’s standard speech to (hopefully) improve recognition results, especially for deviating and long flexible phrases. It also has a very easy and flexible command structure that allows you to build virtually any output chain… I could do the entire startup sequence using a single voice command if I wanted (which I don’t…just saying - it’s very flexible). It also has a pre-built library you can start with so you don’t need to start from scratch. Anyway, it’s a no-cost alternative you can try if it helps!
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@foxster Thanks. I tested it few years ago, when it was still in alpha. I’ll take a look again.
Btw , do you remember - “Shoot” ? - it’s pity no one ported it from NET1.1 (some workaround to Net2.0) after all this years… it was limited , no scripting… but damn it was small and fast. -
@white_fang Hmmm…might have been something else as FoxVox has only been out about a year. It has improved since then though. I never heard about shoot. Sounds like you’ve got some good background with voice control.
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@foxster
Yes, ah… my bad… I was thinking about voice control software “Livrot” . similar free project.
I don’t know if I even tested yours… found some old install in dl dir. 1.0.0.0 x64.
But, promise, I’ll take a look for 1.7.7
Thanks, Cheers
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@white_fang
I used Shoot extensively for years - I still have a copy on my drives somewhere. In fact, I wrote an extensive Shoot profile to play “Silent Hunter 3” almost entirely mouse/keyboard free using voice commands (in both English and German). Shoot was a great little program.
Regards,
Tomcattwo
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@Tomcattwo said in help with programming Cougar Hotas with Foxy/Korgy software:
I wrote an extensive Shoot profile to play “Silent Hunter 3”
LOS!!
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@white_fang
Shoot, that goes back a ways. One of the first… -
@Badger
Man, did I like it, even played Swat4 with it (that was last sim before going arcade frenchise)… ehHad it working even on win7 (8.1? can’t recall) for FF/AF/BMS, … need Net1.1sp1 - but that was somewhat hard to install on newer windows… don’t remember why exactly, but it was kind of problem - I still have it (shoot) … but kinda, with all the new software, … I guess it deserves its “peace”
Cheers