F15 firing an AIM120 C at 43 nautical miles on an F16 with its ECM on
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NB2 : After checking (I didn’t have time to do it before), the aspect angle is always very close to 180° when the F15 shoots, and the same for its approach.
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@Rouge1512
ECM is not effective same on all aspects (360).
I’ve also have been able to bug J-15 with F18E (and vice versa) around that range (40-50nm) … and keep lock… even in TWS.
But, as soon he changes aspect, and/or ecm logic kicks in with turn, give a few seconds … you will loose lock in matter of second. - high/low aspect.So in that time you could even fire , A120B/C, PL12,… but , MISS guaranteed.
So… not a problem ?
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The F-15C has a big powerful radar, even the mech scan one.
Being able to take a shot at 43nm even on a strobing target is completely normal.
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@DUSTOFF17
Why not.But that does not give the explanation for the fact that the “small” radar of the F16, while being hampered by its own jamming and the jammer of the F15 manages nevertheless to bug the F15 much further than 30 nautical miles.
You will answer me that the F15 is a big plane.
Why not.
But in this case, why is it random: one time it is possible to bug the F15 at more than 30 nautical miles, and the next time at only 20 nautical miles, with the same aspect angle, the same altitude and almost the same speed.Anyway, only a developer and in particular Mav-JP can say if, in the game, what I reported corresponds or not to his expectations.
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Thank you for your answer, but I don’t think it is completely in correlation with my question which is basically the one I explain in the second part of my answer to @DUSTOFF17.
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@Rouge1512 said in F15 firing an AIM120 C at 43 nautical miles on an F16 with its ECM on:
But that does not give the explanation for the fact that the “small” radar of the F16, while being hampered by its own jamming and the jammer of the F15 manages nevertheless to bug the F15 much further than 30 nautical miles.
In reality it is whole different ballgame, ecm/eccm , freq hop/adapt, ecm xmit ~ radar sync … there’s no way to explain in simple math…
don’t even assume that all this can be included in emulation - from tech and all other standpoints. - it can be ONLY close enough.But how is coded… your answered it yourself.
Anyway, only a developer and in particular Mav-JP can say if, in the game, what I reported corresponds or not to his expectations.
-or yours (and our?) expectations?..
Good luck.
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@Rouge1512 said in F15 firing an AIM120 C at 43 nautical miles on an F16 with its ECM on:
@DUSTOFF17
Why not.But that does not give the explanation for the fact that the “small” radar of the F16, while being hampered by its own jamming and the jammer of the F15 manages nevertheless to bug the F15 much further than 30 nautical miles.
You will answer me that the F15 is a big plane.
Why not.
But in this case, why is it random: one time it is possible to bug the F15 at more than 30 nautical miles, and the next time at only 20 nautical miles, with the same aspect angle, the same altitude and almost the same speed.Anyway, only a developer and in particular Mav-JP can say if, in the game, what I reported corresponds or not to his expectations.
Who told you that the f15 was flying every time with his Fwd antenna active
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@Mav-jp
This already gives an explanation to one of the questions.
And if the ECM of the F16 is ineffective against the radar of the F15 from 40 nautical miles then we also have the second.
Finally, if the F15, with an angle of aspect around 180°, has a radar reflection important enough so that the power of the F16’s radar is not hindered by the operation of its jamming towards the front, and then lock the F15 beyond 30 nautical miles, we have a third one.This makes for a better known opponent, and therefore more easily manageable, but it does not at all make you want to choose the Red camp in the next Falcon Online campaign, since a large part of the CAPs in the Blue Camp are performed by F15s .
In this context (of FO), I hope the SU 33 and SU 37 have the same capabilities.
Merci @Mav-jp and @white_fang for your answers.
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@Rouge1512 said in F15 firing an AIM120 C at 43 nautical miles on an F16 with its ECM on:
@Mav-jp
This already gives an explanation to one of the questions.
And if the ECM of the F16 is ineffective against the radar of the F15 from 40 nautical miles then we also have the second.
Finally, if the F15, with an angle of aspect around 180°, has a radar reflection important enough so that the power of the F16’s radar is not hindered by the operation of its jamming towards the front, and then lock the F15 beyond 30 nautical miles, we have a third one.This makes for a better known opponent, and therefore more easily manageable, but it does not at all make you want to choose the Red camp in the next Falcon Online campaign, since a large part of the CAPs in the Blue Camp are performed by F15s .
In this context (of FO), I hope the SU 33 and SU 37 have the same capabilities.
Merci @Mav-jp and @white_fang for your answers.
I will check it though
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@Rouge1512 The f-15 is jammed with program 5 not 4. Same with the Mig-31. All other aircraft, program 4
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Thank you.
It seemed to me that there was only the F15 aggressor and maybe the Israeli F15 that was in Ku (EW: J - Program 5).
The APG-63 and the AN/APG-70 of the US F15 are both given as transmitting in X band (EW: I - Program 4).
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It was in the 4.37 ou inU1 documentation I think, but maybe it has changed (not found in the new doc)
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Does anyone have the reference of a document related to the world of BMS in which we could find the band for the F15 radar?
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All F15 use Band J => Program 5
That explains your issues with Program4 activated only
In orer to be sure, just fly XMT1 or 2 and look at which Program is going from Active to Transmit when F15 locks you
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Thanks a lot.
Is there anyone who can find this in the BMS documentation?
I can’t get the mouse back on it.
If one searchs on Internet, as written, the radar of F15 is given in band X. -
@Rouge1512 The Threat Guide page 65. Obvious init
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Well , if “Ftrs” is F15, it is really obvious … but we have also an Ftrs in the I column .
So, what does mean Ftrs ?
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@Rouge1512 Ftrs = Fighters
The chevron above indicates that, so you can see the F-14 is H band.
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I thought we could access the previous updates’ documentations in the wiki, but we can only access the last update of the last 2 versions : 4.35.3 et 4.36.3 (and 4.37.2 of course).
I suppose we can say that all fighters’ radars are in I or J bands (Program 5), appart for very few exceptions including F-14 in H band (Program 4). Isn’t it ?Is there other fighters (or aircrafts) outside the J&K bands ?EDIT :
My mistake, I mixed Bands and Progams.
ECM Program 4 = Bands H&I
ECM Program 5 = Bands J&KSo, as Fighters are mainly in I or J bands, you would need to use, by default Program 4 and Program 5. Deactivating Program 4 only when you want to get ride of the 30% FCR’s detection capability degradation due to jamming on I band (F-16C Radar band).
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Thanks a lot.
As Checkpoint points out, there is obviously an efficiency bonus for those who have the time to try their ECM against all aircrafts to determine what band their radar is transmitting in, but it would be nice if this data was provided more clearly in documentation, as it had begun to be in the early 4.37 documents.