New ECM model
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thanks for the thread. was wondering about this, myself. IMO the manual could stand to go into more detail. XMIT 1 is stated that it turns off the forward antenna. however, i think it should explain in more detail the ramifications of this. using previous knowledge, i inferred the jamming is weak/nonexistent(?) in the forward arc. i think this information needs to be plainly stated. it would help to also quantify jamming strength between XMIT 1 and 2.
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@airtex2019 yes my friend! But remember that the jammer will only degrade your radar/TFR if you are jamming a specific band. If you are jamming a diferent band than your radar/TFR, they will continue to operate. (At least, that is what manual say…)
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@FreqiMANN that’s why i made the post my friend!
About the transmition power, i think it’s the same in XMIT 1 and 2, is only the antenna (and the arc) that is affected (as ours friends say above)Greetings from Brazil! Happy new year to you all!
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@VDK Maybe some kind and knowledgeable person like Tripp (is he still around?) would make a video on the new ECM?
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@FreqiMANN said in New ECM model:
thanks for the thread. was wondering about this, myself. IMO the manual could stand to go into more detail. XMIT 1 is stated that it turns off the forward antenna. however, i think it should explain in more detail the ramifications of this. using previous knowledge, i inferred the jamming is weak/nonexistent(?) in the forward arc. i think this information needs to be plainly stated. it would help to also quantify jamming strength between XMIT 1 and 2.
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I flew toward SA2 with only program 1 selected & XMIT 2 and Jamer enabled but SA-2 still shot me as I flew head on toward it (just for test). Was it my elevation? (20,000ft)
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@Alfred for sure it was program 3. Or, to be more precise, its absence. Fan Song uses G band.
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@Foxtrot701 said in New ECM model:
@Alfred for sure it was program 3. Or, to be more precise, its absence. Fan Song uses G band.
you mean program 3 should have selected?
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@Alfred absolutely. You can see which programs are associated with specific bands in the threat guide.
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@Foxtrot701
I thought I was reading this right ( I thought F stands for Fan Song)
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works better with program 3 but still SA-2 can shoot me down but at a closer range. First missile fired went flyby and I could see it very closely but second missile hit the jet. The jammer just delays Fan Song’s success.
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Typically the jammer becomes less effective the closer you get with any radar threat. Too close and it wont help at all.
The BMS threat guide / Vault shows Burn Through ranges that give some idea.
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@Alfred said in New ECM model:
The jammer just delays Fan Song’s success.
But this is what ECM aims for, DELAY the “success” of the missile.
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thank you for the useful replies, that means BMS modeled the jammer much more accurately than older versions.
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I’ll have to read more about ECM in the manual. Thanks for this discussion.
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what I am doing now is to put on XMIT 2 and press relevant program (3 for fan song) but do not give consent, so amber S on entering threat circle. That way I can use the HAD. Once SA2 appear on HTS page I shoot it and then give consent.
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I am reading SA6 on programs 3, 4, and 5 which one to select? all simultaneously?
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@Alfred said in New ECM model:
I am reading SA6 on programs 3, 4, and 5 which one to select? all simultaneously?
From reading in the manuals (hint, hint ) you need to jam bands g,h,i of the Straight Flush fire control radar, that would be 3 and 4.
BUT: If you look, the note “HOJ” should tell you, it may be not a good idea to use jamming when encountering an SA-6.
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@Atze-0 said in New ECM model:
@Alfred said in New ECM model:
I am reading SA6 on programs 3, 4, and 5 which one to select? all simultaneously?
From reading in the manuals (hint, hint ) you need to jam bands g,h,i of the Straight Flush fire control radar, that would be 3 and 4.
BUT: If you look, the note “HOJ” should tell you, it may be not a good idea to use jamming when encountering an SA-6.
At least, the vulnerability to chaff is medium.so SA-6 has the home one jam capability! does that mean one should turn consent off & on repeatedly?
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so SA-6 has the home one jam capability! does that mean one should turn consent off & on repeatedly?
Or leave ECM off as soon as you don’t have a launch/lock warning on the RWR anymore. In BMS it’s unlikely a launched missile will relock.