Naval warfare - is the AGM-65G best weapon on F-16 with no HARPOON capability
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@regev said in Naval warfare - is the AGM-65G best weapon on F-16 with no HARPOON capability:
@LorikEolmin said in Naval warfare - is the AGM-65G best weapon on F-16 with no HARPOON capability:
Or, are the US F16 good assets for naval warfare.
Its the weapon that counts, and the HARPOON is exactly for this job.
As others said, some F-16 variants use this weapon.Generally I get good results with the multiple AGM-65G attack approach, but getting so close to those ships is very tense & dangerous . . . on some of those missions i get to enjoy the coolness of the sea `-)
Exactly, not US F16.
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Come to think about it… Has anyone tried harms? Since ships are basically search radar and fcr in one.
Like the harpoon it will probably not survive against any capable ship, but saturation of many might do the job
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@regev - the AGM-65G is not optimized for shooting ships…the AGM-65F is. However, by the time you get close enough to a ship of size to be able to employ either of them, you should be getting shot down…
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@regev Witch Theater are we talking about? I could try to move a Norwegian Squadron there and try out the Pingvin (AGM-119) and give you a report.
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@Stevie I tried to use AGM-65F but it’s not available for Block 40/50
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@regev said in Naval warfare - is the AGM-65G best weapon on F-16 with no HARPOON capability:
Currently i use the AGM-65G to destroy enemy warships (Kirov / Sovremenny).
It take minimum of 5 missiles to achieve this.
This method force my package to get very close
to the ships (less then 10nm miles) which is very dangerous, this ships have good AD.Is this the best weapon to use or there is a better one, emphasis on release distance from ships ?
I use the AGM-65D, approach the sea at an altitude of 25-30 and fire all 6 missiles. SAM-10 is useless. The guards of the aircraft carrier sink well.
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@alfagolf - that’s a shame…either should be able to be mounted wherever you can load a MAV.
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@Stevie From Wikipedia: “Maverick F, designed specially for United States Navy, it uses a modified Maverick D infrared guidance system optimized for tracking ships fitted onto a Maverick-E body and warhead” so probably it’s not available for USAF aircraft, but I’m not an expert
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@alfagolf - Yes, I don’t think the USAF ever bought the MAVF, and the Navy/USMC never bought the MAVG. But I do know from being involved in the live firing of a number of RL MAV types that there is no reason for them not to be interchangeable on any station that will support any flavor of MAV.
So for BMS purposes, allowances could be made…it’s just that the seekers behave a bit differently.
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“The AGM-65G has a ground-selectable LAND/SHIP switch which allows the missile to use different algorithms in order to bias the aiming point to cause the greatest damage.”
It’s behind a little door on the missile. I don’t know if the F is superior compared to a ship-configured G but the G does have a ship mode.
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@Frederf - I’ve never heard that, and the F certainly doesn’t have that feature, but if it’s true of the G it’s great! Of course, once you make your selection on deck you are/would be caged to that target type.
The G is definitely better than the F for busting tanks and/or fixed land targets. The F on not a good choice for busting tanks and the LMAV is far superior for that.
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@razo said in Naval warfare - is the AGM-65G best weapon on F-16 with no HARPOON capability:
It depends.
If it’s stationary, a JSOW or maybe even a JASSM would be more suited in terms of distance.
If it’s moving, the AGM-65G seems to be your best shot, unless you take one of the export F-16s that can carry the Harpoon
I believe the Viper Block 50+ can carry the SLAM-ER, so that’s another option. Of course, you could fly a Hornet (sorry, couldn’t resist )
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@drtbkj - what you’d want in a JSOW is a JSOW C1…but a SLAM-ER would also do the trick…probably better.
https://www.navair.navy.mil/node/25936
Dunno if the USAF bought the C-1 or not…
…but I’m thinking not, because you need an AWW-13 to use any of the above, and the Viper doesn’t carry the AWW-13. So scrap SLAM-ER and/or JSOW C-1 (and the Walleye, for that matter) for the Viper.
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@Stevie said in Naval warfare - is the AGM-65G best weapon on F-16 with no HARPOON capability:
https://www.navair.navy.mil/node/25936
Dunno if the USAF bought the C-1 or not…
…but I’m thinking not, because you need an AWW-13 to use any of the above, and the Viper doesn’t carry the AWW-13. So scrap SLAM-ER and/or JSOW C-1 (and the Walleye, for that matter) for the Viper.
Hi, Stevie, I did a quick check on the web before that last post to see if the Viper carried the SLAM-ER, didn’t even check on the pod. It’s interesting though, how’s a Viper going to guide it without a pod? Meanwhile, Military.com reports The Viper does have the JSOW C. That would answer the pod issue, though you still deal with the moving target aspect in BMS.
Another option, for those who fly the OFM stuff, is the newly modeled AGM-158S and AGM-184 -
@drtbkj - so, in this case I would expect that the launching jet could not redirect the missile (neither JSOW-C or SLAM-ER) for terminal correction during flight, and that the missile would have to be handed off somehow for that. Which pretty much limits them to use against fixed targets, and not a moving ship - which now that I think about it, I’m talking JSOW-C vs JSOW-C1…I think the USAF got JSOW-C, but only the USN got JSOW-C1. Same warhead, no seeker vs seeker variants.
Personally, I get the impression that maritime attack is under-modeled in BMS…too easy, no matter what weapon you’re using. I wouldn’t attack a ship of size with a Viper.