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@TOPOLO said in Phantom Phrustration:
@Scorpion82 If you have AFM, for F-4, I suspect it is not stock BMS DB, so I can’t do anything for you
I’m describing KTO in my post.
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@LorikEolmin - I’m surprised that if you are on the deck at 300 knots that you haven’t burst your nose tires…
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Just tested this for fun no problems…
4.37.2 KTO F-4E, no mods, standard single runway, Huangsuwon or wahtever, half flaps full mil power rotate at 160kts with 4xAIM9 + 4xAIM7 worked fine on accurate and easy flight model.
I remember getting stuck on the runway with the retarded OFM F-18 flight model, rocked the stick a few times and it got up. -
@Stevie said in Phantom Phrustration:
@LorikEolmin - I’m surprised that if you are on the deck at 300 knots that you haven’t burst your nose tires…
Stay on topic.
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F4E ROKAF works, F4G doesn’t.
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@LorikEolmin said in Phantom Phrustration:
F4E ROKAF works, F4G doesn’t.
The guy only said F-4… not very specific there.
Yes you are correct F-4G is not flyable. Reason is it does not do full control surface deflection. Fly both and you can easily see the problem. This is full aft stick…
F-4E
F-4G
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F-4E ROKAF and F-4G are the same a/c (but the weight, and difference will not prevent one of them to take-off)
3d model are different, and as noted, I suspect F-4G DoF to have issues, but this has nothing to do with T/O speed
If you have issue with rotation at T/O with one of the F-4 and not with another variant in 4.37.2 KTO, I highly suspect your install being corrupted in a way or another.
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That’s weird after a couple of gos I was able to get the F-4G to takeoff, did seem to stick to runway but rocked the stick a few times and it lifted off.
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@TOPOLO said in Phantom Phrustration:
F-4E ROKAF and F-4G are the same a/c (but the weight, and difference will not prevent one of them to take-off)
3d model are different, and as noted, I suspect F-4G DoF to have issues, but this has nothing to do with T/O speed
If you have issue with rotation at T/O with one of the F-4 and not with another variant in 4.37.2 KTO, I highly suspect your install being corrupted in a way or another.
That seems to be a few corrupted installs then. I would rather check on the servers rather than on our part.
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@LorikEolmin - I am on topic. You shouldn’t be able to get off the deck if you are skagging the stub of your nose gear along. So if you’re not off by rotation speed I wouldn’t expect that you could or should get off the deck.
Burst speed for the nose tires should be someplace around 190-ish knots, so if you haven’t rotated before then you should have additional problems.
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Here is what I have with latest BMS level
Rotation before 120 KIAS, T/O around 190 KIAS -
Same video captured with 4.37.2 (vanillia)
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@TOPOLO said in Phantom Phrustration:
Same video captured with 4.37.2 (vanillia)
I’ll post a video whenever I can.
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@Stevie said in Phantom Phrustration:
@LorikEolmin - I am on topic. You shouldn’t be able to get off the deck if you are skagging the stub of your nose gear along. So if you’re not off by rotation speed I wouldn’t expect that you could or should get off the deck.
Burst speed for the nose tires should be someplace around 190-ish knots, so if you haven’t rotated before then you should have additional problems.
IRL yes, but never in BMS, we can forget that in this topic
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@Stevie FAA approved tires shall behave properly until 270kt. Military grade tires have the same requirements, some even have higher capability. Remember that aircraft like F-104 or Mirage III may take off if heavy payload over 180kt.
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@TOPOLO said in Phantom Phrustration:
Same video captured with 4.37.2 (vanillia)
By the way, I start on runway without touching anything, especially flaps, for both aircrafts. If you do anything with them?..
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@LorikEolmin said in Phantom Phrustration:
@TOPOLO said in Phantom Phrustration:
Same video captured with 4.37.2 (vanillia)
By the way, I start on runway without touching anything, especially flaps, for both aircrafts. If you do anything with them?..
Didi the same here
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@TOPOLO - then BMS needs to be fixed to incorporate this aspect. I know BMS does model brake energy, hot brakes, and bursting of main gear tires, and so would expect it to also include the failure of nose tire(s).
From the Dash 1 for the F-16:
“The NLG tire is certified for use to [PX II] 217, [PX III] 235 knots groundspeed.” (PX II and PX III are Peace Xenia aircraft…whatever those are…)There should be a similar entry in the Limitations Section of he Dash 1 for the F-4…but there doesn’t seem to be:
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So, further fiddling gives me the same problem with most a/c (some exceptions for certain F-16’s) when carrying external wing tanks… Stock KTO BMS 4.7.2 fresh install. Only thing I can think of is WinWing Orion2 10th Anniv Throttle and F-16EX stick. The calibration documentation is horrific and I’m not entirely sure I’m getting the full throw of the stick (although in setup, it seems to).
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@TOPOLO said in Phantom Phrustration:
@LorikEolmin said in Phantom Phrustration:
@TOPOLO said in Phantom Phrustration:
Same video captured with 4.37.2 (vanillia)
By the way, I start on runway without touching anything, especially flaps, for both aircrafts. If you do anything with them?..
Didi the same here