Which is the best Visual VR?
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Hi there,
I am very unskilled in this type of devices, but I would like to begin, and therefore I am looking for the best visual VR. Any of you can suggest me?Thanks
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@tdr I think, before any headset recommendations, it’s best to discuss your PC - VR is very demanding and you need a decent GPU and CPU to keep up.
What are you system specs?
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Thanks guys.
Here are my specs:
Type: Desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: PRIME X370-A v: Rev X.0x
serial: <superuser required> UEFI-[Legacy]: American Megatrends v: 5220
date: 09/12/2019
CPU:
Info: 8-core model: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X bits: 64 type: MT MCP cache:
L2: 4 MiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 1895 min/max: 2200/3700 cores: 1: 1595 2: 2402 3: 1889
4: 1888 5: 1888 6: 1885 7: 1891 8: 2034 9: 1887 10: 1890 11: 1719 12: 1788
13: 1893 14: 1888 15: 1888 16: 1908
Graphics:
Device-1: NVIDIA GP106 [GeForce GTX 1060 3GB] driver: nvidia v: 535.161.07 -
Unfortunately I believe that the specifications of your PC are not very high for the latest generation VR headsets; maybe your PC can handle an Oculus Rift S (you can find cheap used ones), but the visual quality won’t be high…
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@tdr said in Which is the best Visual VR?:
Thanks guys.
Here are my specs:
Type: Desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: PRIME X370-A v: Rev X.0x
serial: <superuser required> UEFI-[Legacy]: American Megatrends v: 5220
date: 09/12/2019
CPU:
Info: 8-core model: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X bits: 64 type: MT MCP cache:
L2: 4 MiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 1895 min/max: 2200/3700 cores: 1: 1595 2: 2402 3: 1889
4: 1888 5: 1888 6: 1885 7: 1891 8: 2034 9: 1887 10: 1890 11: 1719 12: 1788
13: 1893 14: 1888 15: 1888 16: 1908
Graphics:
Device-1: NVIDIA GP106 [GeForce GTX 1060 3GB] driver: nvidia v: 535.161.07Sorry to say that system will not support any sort of quality in VR. You ask what is the best quality VR, that answer (today) is down to two (IMO), the Varjo Aero and the Pimax Crystal. Both of these are ~€1500.
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@tdr Very very underpowered, like the other guys have said.
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Well,
I thought something like this, but I was not sure, so the question is which part could I change to get the right target for VR?CPU - SOKET -MEMORY-GRAPHIC CARD?
Thanks
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@tdr said in Which is the best Visual VR?:
Well,
I thought something like this, but I was not sure, so the question is which part could I change to get the right target for VR?CPU - SOKET -MEMORY-GRAPHIC CARD?
Thanks
I would start with going to at least a 4070 GPU… but you need to be sure your PSU (and case size) can handle it…
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@tdr mmm…
For the best visual in VR, the main question is the available budget. -
@tdr
Assuming budget is not an issue – as mentioned, the clearest headsets at the moment are the Varjo Aero and the Pimax Crystal. Maybe the Bigscreen Beyond can be a contender.Next tier down would be the Valve Index, the Reverb G2, and maybe others like the Pico or Quest 3 (no experience in any of these aside from the G2 and Crystal).
Again, for “best visual,” you will want at least 32GB RAM, maybe 64GB RAM DDR4 or DDR5 at good speeds. You will want the latest i9 or Ryzen X3D chip. You will want at least a 3080 GPU, maybe a 4070. For best visual, it will be a 4090. I have a 3080, 32GB DDR4, 5900X CPU. When the 50XX series comes out, I’ll be getting the 5090 and whatever X3D chip is the latest at that time.
To power all of these, you will want a good PSU, 800W or more. nVME SSDs for the OS and a separate one for the games. Most of today’s motherboards have 2 or 3 nVME slots anyway. Don’t forget proper cooling solutions for the PC case, whether it is a good amount of fans or some sort of AIO solutions. If budget is not an issue, maybe a full custom watercooled setup.
Please bear in mind that with your current system (Ryzen 7 2700X, GTX 1060, ??? RAM), upgrading one component would probably be useless as the rest of the system hardware would then bottleneck that new component. Remember that your CPU was released in 2018, almost 6 years ago. There has been 4 (or 5) generations of CPUs since then. The 1060 is a mid-range card released 8 years ago. It’s going to struggle in VR with only 3GB RAM.
Hope that helps!
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@tdr said in Which is the best Visual VR?:
Well,
I thought something like this, but I was not sure, so the question is which part could I change to get the right target for VR?CPU - SOKET -MEMORY-GRAPHIC CARD?
Thanks
Honestly, all of it!
I ran a rift s (fairly low resolution) on a 1060 6gb and a similar cpu. It was … bearable.
I am someone who is happy with not very good image quality and who loves tweaking and experimenting for performance gains. But I would not recommend any component of your system as being up to the job I’m afraid.
If you’re happy to run a very old headset, with low resolution, it might just about work with a better gpu (more vram would be crucial) but I honestly think you need to be looking at a gpu and cpu upgrade together.
My Ryzen knowledge is patchy but if your board is am4 and supports it, look at one of the higher spec ryzens, eg Ryzen 9 3900x or better.
gpu - something like 4060ti 16gb, 4070 or even an aging but still powerful 1080ti would be a lot more viable.
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@Atlas
Well, I dont know if I have to laugh or cry. Maybe is better laugh, because I would like to update my pc, but not sell all my blood just for a game. But, at the end, I appreciate your advice, surly I will up date some of my devices, but step by step. -
@tdr With that hardware, do not invest in VR It won’t work, it wont make you happy and it will look and play horrible. VR adds some serious hardware requirements on your PC setup.
If you where to buy new hardware, I’d buy no less than the following:
RAM: 32GB
STORAGE: 1 TB SSD/NVME
GPU: Nvidia 3070 or above… alt AMD 7900 or similar
CPU: AMD 5800X3D or higher.For the VR headset itself, I recommend the Meta Quest 3. It’s has good optics, high enough res displays and a good pass through mode. It’s priced pretty good too considering what you get.
VR is an expensive approach to gaming that both requires time and knowledge to get it working well, and sometimes not even that is enough. It’s a lot more mature than it was a few years ago but is still finicky and requires patience.
With upcoming 4.37.4 we are seeing the addition of OpenXR, it allows to eliminate the usage of Steam as a middle layer and that could potentially add a few, very much needed frames per second.
Factor in the cost of a new computer, the headset itself plus the time and effort needed to get it working. If that’s OK, dive in. It’s cool when it’s working.
Just buying a large monitor and head tracking is the cheap alternative. It’s not the same, but it’s still pretty good.
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Thank you guys for all support and advices.
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If there’s anything I can add, it all depends on your budget but at minimum:
For VR you want at least RTX 2070/ RX 5700XT class of performance, if possible get second hand RX 6800 (non-XT) or RTX 3070 TI, depends on which one is cheaper. I’ve got mine RX 6800 for about 360$, that’s about price it’s worth nowadays. Those should provide enough power to run BMS at acceptable FPS and image quality most of the time.
WRT CPU upgrade: it can bring some perf improvement, but in terms of VR it’s lesser priority. If the decision would be: ~400$ gpu or worse GPU + CPU, then I’d go for better GPU.
First check if your motherboard supports Ryzen 5000 series via BIOS update. Some x370 boards do some don’t If it does, then get Ryzen 7 5700X3D or 5800X3D. The former should be a bit cheaper offering very close performance to the latter.
If no, then I’d probably I wouldn’t bother, unless I’d find ultra cheap Ryzen 5 3600 or full m/b+cpu+ram upgrade is on the table.
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@tdr said in Which is the best Visual VR?:
@Atlas
Well, I dont know if I have to laugh or cry. Maybe is better laugh, because I would like to update my pc, but not sell all my blood just for a game. But, at the end, I appreciate your advice, surly I will up date some of my devices, but step by step.You don’t have to play in VR. 1080p works fine.
You can play in VR with lower-spec hardware, but obviously it won’t be “best visual”.You do get what you pay for and unfortunately, getting the best in VR isn’t cheap… but again, VR isn’t mandatory to play BMS.
I will up date some of my devices, but step by step
Consider how quickly you can do this. If you can upgrade the entire system over the course of a year, then maybe. But why not just save for a year and upgrade everything in one go?
If you are talking a year or so from buying one thing to the next, then that may still be a good idea. Any longer than that and you risk one component being rendered obsolete before you complete your entire upgrade; unless you are buying top-tier stuff each time… which is another discussion altogether.