Different Air to Air fighting modes? Need help
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I speak in real, not for you. That’s your job to know what you want ;).
Again, in real, off bore heater (9x) and HMCS is not linked at all. They’re is nothing against the use of -9M, -120, or AG payload with the HMCS. In fact, the HMCS is way more usefull with Link16. -
I speak in real, not for you. That’s your job to know what you want ;).
Again, in real, off bore heater (9x) and HMCS is not linked at all. They’re is nothing against the use of -9M, -120, or AG payload with the HMCS. In fact, the HMCS is way more usefull with Link16.In r/l the HMCS is use for SA not targeting?
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Maybe they have the HMCS but have not linked it to the heaters? yet
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Nope, that not what I mean. Of course it can be link. But it’s a small part of the HMCS.
Even in BMS, I dont use the HMCS for heater in priority. Of course I can use it for my -9M, but the best thing with the HMCS is the increase of SA and information for BVR engagement. -
…., but the best thing with the HMCS is the increase of SA and information for BVR engagement.
Is it similar to flying with “labals” on in F4.
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It’s quite different: the HMCS only shows you what your sensors can “see”, nothing more (at least in BMS). So there’s no “cheating” with the HMCS: it’s only an extended-view HUD, sort of.
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Even in real when you can see all the Link 16 contact on the HMCS, is really not easy at all. The process management with link16 is quite difficult :).
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Is it similar to flying with “labals” on in F4.
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I haven’t had much luck hitting anything at max range. I’m always shy about using burners for some reason.
Most of the time my first shot misses…but the bandit has to go defensive and drag my shot. If all the bandits are going defensive (check on the FCR) then i light up the burner and hunt them down like dogs (but i watch fuel and don’t get too far behind enemy lines).
The second shot is the ‘money shot’ with a high PK (since i’m closer), i shoot the moment i see the bandit has evaded my first shot.
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You can also use it in SLAVE mode without the FCR.
Really? Well, if it’s not slaved to the FCR what is it slaved to? How does it know where to look?
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If you’re having trouble using RWS to fire 2 amraams, suggest using TWS mode. Then use TMS right to switch between targets. You should be able to attack 6 simultaneously with TWS.
Cool, i’ll have to give it a try! I was always scared my first missile would switch targets in correspondence as i switched targets on the FCR. I didn’t realize it was so straight forward.
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Really? Well, if it’s not slaved to the FCR what is it slaved to? How does it know where to look?
Its not slaved to anything, its in SLAVE mode. Different things. If in SLAVE and the FCR is not tracking anything, the seeker will be looking straight ahead (along the missile boresight). And it can still lock on to targets.
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You don’t get to disagree, that’s the way it works. Not my opinion, fact. When the heater is in SLAVE mode, it is in SLAVE mode, whether you agree or not.
It’s irrelevant as in, the heater can be in SLAVE mode but not slaved to anything. It can also be in BORE mode, but not aligned with the boresight. What mode the missile is in, is described by… what mode it is in, not the way you use it. When the SMS says SLAVE, then its in SLAVE mode, simple as that. I can also navigate while in AG master mode, that does not mean I am automatically in NAV mode.
First of all you don’t use the diamond as a boresight, the diamond (seeker head) is aligned with the missile’s boresight. And yes, you don’t need to switch to BORE, what’s your point? Whenever the seeker is caged and not commanded to move (FCR, JHMCS) it is always aligned with the boresight. That does not mean it is in BORE mode. A mode is a software profile of the missile that makes it behave a certain way, much like many other avionics related “modes”, and is only changeable through the SMS or the enable switch. Just because the missile might be doing one thing that might be common to another mode, it does not mean it has magically changed to that mode.
It does do the same with AIM-9, as long as it is depressed it switches from SLAVE to BORE if SLAVE was previously selected, or from BORE to SLAVE if BORE was previously selected.
Old thread but it’s in my learning journey at this time. Interesting! Just some questions:
a) I would have thought in HMCS mode, SLAVE would have been a better term to use to get the AIM-9X to follow the pilot’s view. But BORE instead has to be used. Does sound a little counter intuitive doesn’t it?
b) So in caged mode the seeker head is still able to follow the HMCS or FCR I presume. Uncaging just ‘frees’ it to decide on what it will lock on to. Correct?
c) When in SLAVE mode, is the AIM-9X looking at where ever the TD box is moving to on the FCR (no lock) or does it only look at what the TD has locked up?
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a) SLAVE means that missile is SLAVEd to the radar. BORE is when missile looks at the boresight, it can be center of HMCS or center of the HUD if HMCS is turned OFF.
b) In CAGEd mode HMCS or FCR is controlling seeker position (missile is not tracking target, instead of missile FCR or HMCS is doing it), when you uncage missile seeker starts to track target on its own instead of being guided by FCR or HMCS.
c) In SLAVE mode without bugged radar target AIM-9 (any version) is looking at the center of the HUD. It does not matters where you move TD box, as long as you don’t have bugged target AIM-9 will behave like in BORE mode without HMCS. -
a) SLAVE means that missile is SLAVEd to the radar. BORE is when missile looks at the boresight, it can be center of HMCS or center of the HUD if HMCS is turned OFF.
b) In CAGEd mode HMCS or FCR is controlling seeker position (missile is not tracking target, instead of missile FCR or HMCS is doing it), when you uncage missile seeker starts to track target on its own instead of being guided by FCR or HMCS.
c) In SLAVE mode without bugged radar target AIM-9 (any version) is looking at the center of the HUD. It does not matters where you move TD box, as long as you don’t have bugged target AIM-9 will behave like in BORE mode without HMCS.Boresight is not center of the HUD; it is 3 degrees below the gun cross.
If you have a TD box, you have a bugged target. The seeker will not be staring at the boresight unless in BORE.
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Old thread but it’s in my learning journey at this time. Interesting! Just some questions:
a) I would have thought in HMCS mode, SLAVE would have been a better term to use to get the AIM-9X to follow the pilot’s view. But BORE instead has to be used. Does sound a little counter intuitive doesn’t it? In a sense yes. But you have to understand the matter historically. Originally there was only AIM-9 cued by radar LOS and looking forward along boresight. When HMCS was added the trick was to leave AIM-9 looking “straight ahead” but for HMCS to drag around the direction of where “straight ahead” is. This way the radar cueing logic can be left alone. So when in BORE the AIM-9 looks straight ahead which can be the real straight ahead (HMCS off) or a fake variable straight ahead (HMCS on).
b) So in caged mode the seeker head is still able to follow the HMCS or FCR I presume. Uncaging just ‘frees’ it to decide on what it will lock on to. Correct? Yes.
c) When in SLAVE mode, is the AIM-9X looking at where ever the TD box is moving to on the FCR (no lock) or does it only look at what the TD has locked up? AIM-9 is only radar cued in a direction when the radar has a valid direction to cue to. If there is a TD box then you are bugged onto a target and this is valid to cue AIM-9 to. It is confusing to use the word “lock” with F-16 radar. Single target track or informally called a “hard lock” is not required to cue an AIM-9 or -120. Anything where the radar tracked target has a circle around it “bugged” “soft lock” is good enough to cue missiles.
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Gotcha. Well, the seeker is slaved to the TD LOS, not the cursors. So it stands to reason that in SLAV, it will follow the TD box, not the cursors.
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I was thinking that TD box means cursor.
Well, i am still learning.Boresight is not center of the HUD; it is 3 degrees below the gun cross.
When i said “center of the HUD” i mean the “visual” center of the hud and not the gun cross.