Anyone tested leap Motion with BMS?
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Also pilots have some trouble… the sides of the ICP as a real pilot told me are to use force with the palm and give input with thumb, that is for g conditions where its not that easy to have your hand stable, so pilots also face the same thing.
Yes, even in small airplanes turbulence alone can wreck havoc on you trying to work a GPS or something similar.
@Blu3wolf:I am of the opinion that whilst a real mouse is probably a little better, clearly real switches would be quicker.
then again, your HOTAS is there for a reason. most of the hands off controls are designed so that they are not needed in combat, no?
I have some XKeys Matrix based switch panels from my old cockpit that needs some serious refurbing to get back in working condition (it went unused for 5 years and 2 moves). I plan to use the Leap Motion for non-priority switches that you would flip maybe once or twice a flight, maybe more. I had planned to use a wireless mini keyboard with touch pad or a trackball for mouse input in a simpler cockpit. I didn’t really want to use a mouse left handed, but you can tell the F-16 was ergonomically planned for the switched to be operated by the left hand That keeps your right on the stick as much as possible so I hate to use a regular mouse right handed to hit switches. I feel like the Leap Motion will conserve the space that I need for the mouse travel (or even mini-keyboard w/ touchpad) and be more natural for left hand usage. Plus like a TrackIR, it doesn’t feel 100% realistic, but at least you are moving your head to control view. Here the mouse has always felt crowded with my space, slightly unatural movement for switch usage, and a little bit of an immersion killer with switches. Hopefully the Leap Motion will feel a little better now that I’m not using the switches. But I will always miss my pull-to-throw master arm, realistic gear and spring loaded MPO switches. But I just don’t have the time anymore to burn like I did when I built them the first time.
I will probably keep the Thrustmaster MFDs and Logitech G13 for the ICP/DED. The display and tactile feed back of the G13 makes it worth it. The MFDs I don’t feel like you need as much tactile feedback since most of the time you get some pretty good visual feedback that you pressed the button, but I could see them being some of the hardest to use with the Leap Motion since I already have problems mousing them with their relative size and proximity of other the buttons. My problem is the transition or emergency use switches that aren’t on the HOTAS, are rarely used, but when you need them, they need to be accessed quickly. Most of these are going into shifted modes for on the input devices, but if Leap Motion can be as natural for mouse work as the TrackIR is for views, I may not need all that shifting.
Also I really feel like I want to utilize the 3D cockpit, even with the HOTAS/MFD/ICP/extra instrument monitors combo. I am still impressed with how far it has came and I already need a 3D view to utilize the TIR. Eventually as I get back in the swing of things, that might change.
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same thoughts as Mav-jp though.It’s just like a new kind of mouse. You still have to coordinate the finger and the pointer.
Maybe fun for a ramp start but nothing for combat action.
I’m still glad that I just received the LG touchsceen and build it in my pit yesterday.But leap motion is very interesting for musicians and many other users - guitar around the neck and easy controll off cubase or whatever.
livrot
I expressed inexact. Very sorry about that.
What I meant was that going with the left hand to a touchscreen and switching around is straightforward.
Having to hold a finger over the leap motion and THEN moving the BMS cursor over the (probably not so steady) freetrack or TIR view to a tiny button is another game - the cursor game.One good point for the leap motion: your eyes can stay on your BMS 3D all the time - good for immersion.
Optical touchscreen: Viewsonic TD2220 - 220 euro
negative: flies can switch around in your cockpit too. Two point touch only. Bezels (bad for win 8 gestures).Capacitive Touchscreen: LG 23ET83V - 320 euro
positive: flies did until now not interact with it when running over it. 10 point touch. good IPS panel without bezels.LG 23ET83V
I strapped a standard wallmount to its back (cable strappers) and so I can hang it in the pit when I want to fly and put it back on the desk afterwards.A fast, functional, and beautifull pit never was cheaper.
Who knows - maybe the devs (i mean our beloved devs - big THANKS! to them again!) decide to try and make the BMS CURSOR absolute vodka.
But I doubt it would be usefull unless the users put a freetrack / TIR temporary freeze (plus a little zoom in action at the same time) HOTkey link on their sticks. Eyes on ONE screen and touch it to switch! Immersion.I still believe the separation of main screen (3d world) and touchscreen below (cockpit) is the best for fast action.
TWA separate! CMDS to bypass! CAT I! ICP WARN resest! next steerpoint! master caution!do all that with leap motion while egressing and being shot at by ZSU 23-4 at night with tracer rounds and looking left and right for flak density.
touchscreen.
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livrot with 3+ monitors and one of them touch the cost goes to the same amount. Thing is leapmotion is and multimonitor.
how do u rightclick on a touch screen?
Oh I have some spare ZU-23 if u want for the flies… :lol:
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IMHO Leap has potential,
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With the touchless app, control is very easy and intuitive, but BMS does not record the clicksIn the other hand, using “gamewave”, control is a bit clumsy, and controlling the clicks is virtually impossible, but it registered in the game.
I thing the “touchless” control method is better, and if it would have been able to interact it would have been great, but everything is still in a very early stage, and the apps should be getting better.
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IMHO Leap has potential,
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With the touchless app, control is very easy and intuitive, but BMS does not record the clicksIn the other hand, using “gamewave”, control is a bit clumsy, and controlling the clicks is virtually impossible, but it registered in the game.
I thing the “touchless” control method is better, and if it would have been able to interact it would have been great, but everything is still in a very early stage, and the apps should be getting better.
Did you try the Airnav app that Arty is using? It is over at the Leap Motion forums.
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Did you try the Airnav app that Arty is using? It is over at the Leap Motion forums.
AirKey is the name of the application.
Here is the Link at sourceforge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/airkey/
And here is the link from the Leapmotion forum: https://forums.leapmotion.com/showthread.php?3547-AirKey-gesture-based-hotkey-mapping-%28-basic-mouse-control%29Wow… I was on version 01 or Airkey and now it went to 03, here is the change log:
CHANGELOG:
v0.3 (more details here)Multifinger support! If you perform gestures with more than 3 fingers outstretched (= your whole hand), you can assign different hotkeys to the gestures.
Thumb-Trigger mode reversable.
ScreenTap and KeyTap enabled in Mouse Mode, which different actions possible.
Customizable delay after each command. If you get multiple executions of the same gesture, try increasing it.
2 commands available in the program: Reloading the config-file (ie after modification), and hiding the console window on command.v0.2 (more details here)
Support for lefthanded users (set “Lefthanded” in the config file to true).
Mouseclick/Mousepress distinction by moving the thumb downwards/just horizontally added.
Change in the keepPressed-behaviour in the settings file.Well since the apps and drivers are in an early stage… and with what I see I’m more then satisfied then sure future will be great on it.
Also they started the UI… first release of it ready and free… http://www.irishacts.com/misc/airkey-gui.exe
And a vid for it: http://www.irishacts.com/misc/airkey.htm
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I got mine today. Just a real limited time so far.
Good- Tracks nicely, FUN, reminds a lot of the original TrackIR in that you see how much potential it has once the software and maybe another generation of hardware has improved (the TrackIR has came a loooonnnngggg way guys)
Bad- having a hard time clicking with Airkey, but also trying to use it left handed.
Ugly- Had two BSODs, one in Airkey while in Falcon, one playing Dropchord
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wow no bsod here. yea me to wonder how will it be left handed usage.
About click change it. I believe the alternative having the thumb connected to palm and extending it to click must be way better then the gun trick - trigger. -
@arty - right click on a touch screen is press and hold with first finger, tap with second.
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Bad- having a hard time clicking with Airkey, but also trying to use it left handed.
Yep - I’m trying to train left handed as thats my mouse hand - make sure you set the xml file to true in the correct place for left hand support - something I forgot
No BSODs but the service wont auto start - have to start it manually.
Tried Touchless which isnt great - then GAMEWAVE also- which is accurate but seems inadequate with the current control setup for Falcon / DCS pits
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I believe I set it up to be left handed in the .xml using the GUI, but maybe not. Again didn’t get much time with it. Probably tonight.
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Update: Still getting BSODs, although haven’t had anymore in AirKey+Falcon yet, BUT upgrading to .4 (which is now out!) caused me to lose mouse clicks in the 3d world and going back to .3 didn’t solve the problem. I am getting pretty natural at Airkey in Windows and the Falcon UI, I just wish I could figure out how to get it to double click. I wish I could make it further in Dropchord, it’s pretty fun for about the 2 levels Ican get through before BSOD.
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Snake122 what is the stop message in the BSOD? look it up in microsoft Technet, it will tell u what the problem is.
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Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: BlueScreen
OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.256.1
Locale ID: 1033Additional information about the problem:
BCCode: 101
BCP1: 0000000000000031
BCP2: 0000000000000000
BCP3: FFFFF88002FD5180
BCP4: 0000000000000003
OS Version: 6_1_7601
Service Pack: 1_0
Product: 256_1Not sure which info to put where on technet, it’s really the first time I’ve had a BSOD with Win7.
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The BCCode is the Stop code I believe.
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Yeah that would sound right, the text on BSOD said that it was a CPU core timeout now that I read that. So it’s another hardware problem that the LeapMotion is exacerbating?
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There is an article about BSODs being generated by USB debug cables with this stop code. I’m wondering if the Leap device is sending some non-kosher signals back.
And then there’s this:
b) a driver whose activity is causing the target processor to lock up
Pretty sure it’s the Leap’s fault if your rig is otherwise stable.
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Well guys I’m back from vacations and just gave a try the new Airkey 0.6b.
I also customized it with the new gui program. Basic customization, sensitivity, left hand and left/right mouse click… nothing else.
Now I have it only Left Handed and switched the click function. Instead of doing the trigger thing I have the thumb on the palm and when I extent it it clicks. It’s way more stable.
I must figure out some more gestures like the Alt+I for the cutoff and the mouse wheel up/down (damn now it hit me… lol it has a rotate cw/ccw lol ).
I’m uploading a new video. This is the actual third time I’m using leapmotion on BMS. Second time left handed… I thought it would be impossible as I’m right handed… but I fount it way easy. What I must get used is to have my hand in the scope of the sensor… and also maybe alter the sensor position and put it in an angle like 30-40 degrees and have my palm not parallel to the desk but vertical… some guys say it works better and faster.
Lets hope soon enough the dev will implement the auto hand switch or have a gesture to do so… He said he will, so future will be better.
The vid needs 200 minutes to upload… will post it ASAP.
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ok here it is…