Kneemap POH 0.7.0
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very VERY nice job dude! This kneemap will be a great job. Looks soooo good…
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Hi Joe,
It keeps looking better and better !
This Theatre will be BIG,I guess
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Hi Joe,
It keeps looking better and better !
This Theatre will be BIG,I guess
+1 here :p**!**
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WIP:
Spain almost complete. I will continue with Portugal
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Wow, a fing AWESOME work Joe! I hell love it!!!*
Can i ask something easy: At the table (top left corner) add also the sing of the TACAN station (not only the VORTAC).
This way you can fill the chart with the proper sign for each one NavAid. I can provide you with real infos for them.
You can use the TACAN symbol for TACAN stations and the VORTAC symbol for VORTAC and VOR/DME stations.
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Do you need textures?
For the Morrocco area I can provide some based on a mapmod I made/modded.
(Sidi Ifni…)
Then again, nowadays most theatres seem to be satellite true anyway. -
Wow, a fing AWESOME work Joe! I hell love it!!!*
Can i ask something easy: At the table (top left corner) add also the sing of the TACAN station (not only the VORTAC).
This way you can fill the chart with the proper sign for each one NavAid. I can provide you with real infos for them.
You can use the TACAN symbol for TACAN stations and the VORTAC symbol for VORTAC and VOR/DME stations.
Nikos.I will follow the criteria of RedDog in the map EMF (http://www.combatsimchecklist.net/MAPEMF/index.html) . Are the big circles to TACAN (with airbase, airstrip in center) , and the VORTAC with also big circles and the icon Vortac. Is correct?
Do you need textures?
For the Morrocco area I can provide some based on a mapmod I made/modded.
(Sidi Ifni…)
Then again, nowadays most theatres seem to be satellite true anyway.Images for the terrain or objects? The terrain POH is finishes. The airbases 100% photorealistic not yet builded. Only Gibraltar by Eghi.
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WIP… kneemap resized at 4096 px (open image in another window), and more clear:
We can view the tacan circle
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@Joe:
I will follow the criteria of RedDog in the map EMF (http://www.combatsimchecklist.net/MAPEMF/index.html) . Are the big circles to TACAN (with airbase, airstrip in center) , and the VORTAC with also big circles and the icon Vortac. Is correct?
Joe, i was talking about the legend in the top left corner. There, there is only the VORTAC sign, not also the TACAN sign.
If you want to include into this nice kneemap the position of the NavAids, then you must also include in the legend the TACAN sign and then you can represent into the map the proper NavAid with the correct sign.
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So?
(open image in another window)
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O.k. let me show you a real photo in order to we clear this ;).
So here is a real Enroute Low Altitude chart from the U.S. :As you can see, i have marked with red some TACANs, VORTACs and a VOR/DME (look at the lower right of the photo).
You can see that all the VORTACs and the VOR/DME have the circle around them. But none of the TACANs have it!
In other words they aren’t correct the signs at the legend of the kneemap.
So at Legend, leave the sign of the VORTAC as it is, it is correct.
Then add the sign of the TACAN, as you see it in the photo. It is exactly the border of the VORTAC sign.
Last inside the map you must use the 2 specific signs (TACAN and VORTAC) at the locations that we have the NavAids. But you must also add the circle around the sign of the VORTAC, like in the photo. But ONLY around of the VORTACs, NOT around of TACANs!
I will provide you with a list in order to know exactly the kind of each one NavAid in order to represent it in the kneemap with the correct sign.
I hope now to be more clear…
See you buddy.
Nikos. -
I think I now understand what you meant to me … Sorry for my comprehension problems.
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Haha, Joe my good friend with one sign: !
I like a lot your damn fast reactions as also your persist to realism!
We both like it (the realism) until to death…
Thanks partner.
So now the Legend is perfect. Don’t forget my remarks when you will start to put the signs inside the map. When you want to work on them give me a “call”. I must provide you a list with the kind of each one NavAid.
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WIP, finished zones:
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Hey looking good, one small request, could you add TRA54 and TRA55? I know they are temporary areas, but believe me they are here to stay (they have been around for the last 6 years at least lol), and are one of the most frequently used areas by the F16 here, sometimes for low level flight (it contains the Estrela mountain range) and even has it’s own refueling track. Here are the details:
LPTRA54
411800N 0072300W - 412248N0062333W - along portuguese/spanish border to 403157N 0064722W - 403200N 0074500W - 404350N 0074500W - 411800N 0072300W
FL 245 / GND H24 AIR EXERCISES, including AIR to AIR Refuelling OperationsLPTRA55
403200N 0074500W - 403157N0064722W - along portuguese/spanish border to 395337N 0065359W - 395400N 0074500W - 403200N 0074500W
FL 245 / 1500 FT AGL H24 AIR EXERCISES, including AIR to AIR Refuelling OperationsAlso I was thinking, have you checked with the ruler in the map if the headings are correct? Since the meridians are angled I’m concerned there could be some kind of error
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also, those tiny triangles in the middle of those vor/vortacs, on the real Enroute Low Altitude chart, don’t worry about them. The clear triangles are non-compulsory ifr reporting points, the solid triangles are compulsory reporting points. You could just remove them entirely.
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Hey looking good, one small request, could you add TRA54 and TRA55? I know they are temporary areas, but believe me they are here to stay (they have been around for the last 6 years at least lol), and are one of the most frequently used areas by the F16 here, sometimes for low level flight (it contains the Estrela mountain range) and even has it’s own refueling track. Here are the details:
LPTRA54
411800N 0072300W - 412248N0062333W - along portuguese/spanish border to 403157N 0064722W - 403200N 0074500W - 404350N 0074500W - 411800N 0072300W
FL 245 / GND H24 AIR EXERCISES, including AIR to AIR Refuelling OperationsLPTRA55
403200N 0074500W - 403157N0064722W - along portuguese/spanish border to 395337N 0065359W - 395400N 0074500W - 403200N 0074500W
FL 245 / 1500 FT AGL H24 AIR EXERCISES, including AIR to AIR Refuelling OperationsAlso I was thinking, have you checked with the ruler in the map if the headings are correct? Since the meridians are angled I’m concerned there could be some kind of error
Indeed, those are very important areas to have in the map.
Pina, could you make a better location image, say with all Portuguese territory for better locating them?
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Hey looking good, one small request, could you add TRA54 and TRA55? I know they are temporary areas, but believe me they are here to stay (they have been around for the last 6 years at least lol), and are one of the most frequently used areas by the F16 here, sometimes for low level flight (it contains the Estrela mountain range) and even has it’s own refueling track. Here are the details:
LPTRA54
411800N 0072300W - 412248N0062333W - along portuguese/spanish border to 403157N 0064722W - 403200N 0074500W - 404350N 0074500W - 411800N 0072300W
FL 245 / GND H24 AIR EXERCISES, including AIR to AIR Refuelling OperationsLPTRA55
403200N 0074500W - 403157N0064722W - along portuguese/spanish border to 395337N 0065359W - 395400N 0074500W - 403200N 0074500W
FL 245 / 1500 FT AGL H24 AIR EXERCISES, including AIR to AIR Refuelling OperationsThank you very much for the report. I’ve seen defined as temporary in the NR 5.2-10 of November 15, 2012 and dismissed. I see no problem with including these two areas.
Indeed, those are very important areas to have in the map.
Pina, could you make a better location image, say with all Portuguese territory for better locating them?
Thanks.These areas have well localized. They are not a problem.
@pina:Also I was thinking, have you checked with the ruler in the map if the headings are correct? Since the meridians are angled I’m concerned there could be some kind of error
Yes, everything is checked. This topic has been discussed many times. Use the outil Search forums, please.
Into BMS forums
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?18303-How-to-create-a-good-Kneemap/page2
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?18166-POH-0-7-0-GPS-Problem&highlight=gps+coordinates
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?15914-South-and-West-Coordinates-in-F16Into escuadron111 forums
http://www.escuadron111.com/new/index.php?/topic/11471-coordenadas-ew-en-bms/
http://www.escuadron111.com/new/index.php?/topic/12167-voluntario-edici%C3%B3n-kneemap-poh-070/And the answer is: are adapting to the limitations of Falcon.
Do you know that can not manage Falcon BMS negative latitudes for now? You can not enter negative latitudes in the DED.
Do you know the Prime Meridian passes through our Theater (latitude 0)? Korea, Balkans, Aegean, Sinai is located to the left of the Prime Meridian. Look, please, at latitudes of POH. The prime meridian (0 °) has been moved to the end of our Weast Theatre. to enter GPS coordinates in the DED.
Although it could introduce negative latitudes (which can not). Actually: Do you think, in the Theater of Korea GPS coordinates and lines that are not in the same position as the real world are used know? (And the same in all theaters of Falcon)
Do you know that the projection of the world of Falcon has special characteristics? What Falcon’s world, when we fly, is flat?
What Falcon two tacan, radio frequencies … can not have near the same frequency if operating problems do not occur?
For example:
In Falcon BMS 4.32. Theater Korea
INTL RKSS Kimpo airport
South Korea
N 37 ° 36,868 ‘- E 127 ° 42,801’
*In the real world:
Kimpo Airport
Coordinates
37 ° 33’29? N 126 ° 47’26? EAnother example
In Falcon BMS. Theater EMF:
Kalamata Airport
Coordinates Falcon:
N 37 ° 03 580 / E 23 ° 03,355Real world coordinates
Coordinates 37 ° 04’06 .18? N22 ° 01’32 .29? EUsing real GPS positions inaccuracy of up to 100 km occur, depending on the area map. The maps of the real world does not match 100% with the coordinates. The Navaids real world do not apply.
But if you use our kneemap, GPS Falcon, the POH Navaids and our future maps will have no problems.
*Maybe with FSX or perhaps with Orbiter Space Simulator (put other examples) …. But not with Falcon BMS. Let us accept this.
also, those tiny triangles in the middle of those vor/vortacs, on the real Enroute Low Altitude chart, don’t worry about them. The clear triangles are non-compulsory ifr reporting points, the solid triangles are compulsory reporting points. You could just remove them entirely.
I do not understand your approach. I use a translator.
The translator gives me an incomprehensible text. You could put it in other words? Thanks. -
also, those tiny triangles in the middle of those vor/vortacs, on the real Enroute Low Altitude chart, don’t worry about them. The clear triangles are non-compulsory ifr reporting points, the solid triangles are compulsory reporting points. You could just remove them entirely.
Well most of the VORTACs and VOR/DMEs are compulsory reporting points, so Joe is good to have the small black triangle inside the VORTAC sign ;).
Of course if he wants, he can made it solid, means the small black triangle.
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Hello Joe, yes I was aware of those limitations, but I wasn’t asking about the coordinates, but about the headings. I was asking if the 360 true heading was always aligned with the meridian lines. Because at least in Korea, with the meridians always being 90º with the parallels, inherently there would be no problem, what I was concerned was if in POH the north was pointing east of the meridian, since it is skewed west at some points.