AGM88 from high alt strangeness :O
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When does the HARM start searching for radar emissions in HAD mode?
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The only real complaint I have with HARMs is how terribly they make turns in azimuth. Firing 90Ā° off axis at a 20nm threat in HAD or EOM should be a slam dunk but the missile turns so lazily that while itās going to get there eventually the 200s TTL becomes too much. A short-range, off-axis, precision location shot (like HAD) should turn hard, bleed energy, and get there in time to do some good. In BMS I found it takes the scenic route so I try to avoid any more than 30 degrees off axis.
Its funny that you say this because just yesterday I was in instant action mode testing my new stick mappings and I locked something on HAD that I thought was in front of me but actually was off to my right and my harm did an almost instant 90 degree right turn off the rail to track it down.
I was so surprised I immediately jumped into missile view to see if it was going to hit anything. It had great maneuverability though, way more than thirty degrees off axis.
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I doesnāt matter what alt itās released at to me it seems that even the slightest off-boresight shot always misses Is it a reliable missile the HARM at all?
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Well, technically speaking the Shrike was capable of doing a 180 degree turn according to what the Wild Weasel crews were told in Vietnam, but I think we all know how well they worked being employed normally. Way I see it is that no matter what the weapon and its capabilities, do what you can to make its job easier. Thereās no point stretching equipment to its limits just for the show of it.
For accuracy, use the Weapons page with preplanned waypoints. If you have to use HAD mode, donāt fire until you see the proverbial white in the SAM crewās eyes, unless they fire at you, in which case you return the favour with a HARM and take evasive action. If they donāt turn off their radar, the HARM will have no issues tracking.
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For accuracy, use the Weapons page with preplanned waypoints. If you have to use HAD mode, donāt fire until you see the proverbial white in the SAM crewās eyes, unless they fire at you, in which case you return the favour with a HARM and take evasive action. If they donāt turn off their radar, the HARM will have no issues tracking.
Concur. Most of my deliveries with HARMs is through the weapons page. Especially, when other radars are also in the area.
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Whatās that suppose to mean? Are you a real world āWeaselā jockey?
Lulz, no but I play one on TV. TTL is ātime to liveā itās used to describe when computer programming timeouts happen. Itās a programmer slang. Also jive means āagree.ā
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Hey, nice! Where can see that TV show/series?
About the missile -
Not sure 200 seconds are enough to provide a > 100 km shot (especially when the missile is doing a 45 degrees climb). Does this 200 seconds limit is verified by a pilot/technician (probably not, as it is a military secret). Also what happened after TTL time expired? Self destruction? -
Most of dat files values are just assumption and not accurate because of the age of these filesā¦
BTW ~100 km effective range is not true for AGM-88. In not 100% theoretical cases even at high alt the RL eng. envelope is smaller than ~60 kmā¦ The missile which was landed in Bulgaria during AF went to ballistic because of internal power supply went out way before reached 100 km from the point of the launch.
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Also what happened after TTL time expired? Self destruction?
Most likely yeah.
Not sure 200 seconds are enough to provide a > 100 km shot
Well, the max range shot at about 20-25 000ft is what-30nm (I could be wrong about this one) and itās a ~3:00min (180 sec) flight time, so far it makes sense the way itās simāed, any higher alt than that and youāre extending the flight time and entering the zone past 200 secs, but this is ridiculous, it should be a flexable figure this, it should reflect the different parameters at which youāre employing
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The missile which was landed in Bulgaria during AF went to ballistic because of internal power supply went out way before reached 100 km from the point of the launch.
Where you got this? I didnāt find anything like thatā¦. If power is lost, why didnāt destruct itself?
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Going to jump in here with something not mentioned yet. The HARM can āloiterā. That means when the missile is fired, it can hover/orbit for a short time. I suspect that the missile uses the kinetic energy built up from launch and itās own fuel to attain speeds that enable it to loiter over the tracking area assigned to it. I do not think that is modeled, but it does support the flight time variable mookar has suggested.
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Are you sure about that? āHarpyā could loiter, but HARMā¦.
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I donāt think so. Maybe you think about the Alarm?
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HARM doesnāt loiter AFAIK, ALARM could do that, though. with a parachute, i think.
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I donāt think so. Maybe you think about the Alarm?
well, the HARM has a limited ability to glide. If Target Isolate is not enabled, it can glide for an unspecified (and classified) period, or switch to another target type (flex).
would be nice to know how long/far it can glide for.
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Not sure if this was mentioned, but there is a ābubbleā in which things materialize in the 3d world, and itās certainly not infinite. Iāve taken MAX range shots at high angels/smash before, then turned around and immediately burned out of the area. By the time the HARM shouldāve hit, Iāve already exited the bubble and the target dematerialized before the missile was able to hit. In the ACMI it showed nothing but barren landā¦.
Oh yea, something else that Iāve been retarded enough to doā¦Make sure its not behind a building?
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Not sure if this was mentioned, but there is a ābubbleā in which things materialize in the 3d world, and itās certainly not infinite. Iāve taken MAX range shots at high angels/smash before, then turned around and immediately burned out of the area. By the time the HARM shouldāve hit, Iāve already exited the bubble and the target dematerialized before the missile was able to hit. In the ACMI it showed nothing but barren landā¦.
Oh yea, something else that Iāve been retarded enough to doā¦Make sure its not behind a building?
That depends on the target bubble. I think if the missile is locked when the target wants to re-agg then itāll keep it deagged. If the missile isnāt locked I think itās possible for the target to re-agg and miss for that reason.
Hey, nice! Where can see that TV show/series?
About the missile -
Not sure 200 seconds are enough to provide a > 100 km shot (especially when the missile is doing a 45 degrees climb). Does this 200 seconds limit is verified by a pilot/technician (probably not, as it is a military secret). Also what happened after TTL time expired? Self destruction?200 sec is enough for a 73nm shot which is 135km. I think in BMS the missile simply vanishes (I canāt remember with or without explosion) when they timeout.
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I suspect that the missile uses the kinetic energy built up from launch and itās own fuel to attain speeds that enable it to loiter over the tracking area assigned to it
The HARM is reported as a āloiteringā missile but a parachute is not mentioned, the ALARM has that feature along with a parachute for sure. However the AGM88 has INS guidance anyway so it doesnāt need to loiter, even if the tgt radar shuts down the round āremembersā the last known coords and goes for them
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well, the HARM has a limited ability to glide. If Target Isolate is not enabled, it can glide for an unspecified (and classified) period, or switch to another target type (flex).
would be nice to know how long/far it can glide for.
That is what I was talking about. It does have a āglideā mode. Loiter might be the wrong term to use.
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Perhaps āenduranceā mode that prefers higher TOF in acquire mode instead of minimizing TTI.
AGM-88D has GPS/INS. The earlier HARM has some gyros or something but models A-C probably didnāt have super high Pk if not guiding all the way on ARH.