GBU Guidance and Laser Designators
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Training mode sounds like a pre-guidance laser.
train
/trān/
verb
gerund or present participle: training2. point or aim something, typically a gun or camera, at.
“the detective trained his gun on the side door”synonyms: aim, point, direct, level, focus; zero in
“she trained the gun on his chest” -
In this case, Training is an eye-safe mode for training (ie : exercising) pilot for laser operation. I think (not sure) that is the mode the laser is using for basic telemetry data too.
The only laser mode in BMS is Combat. IRL, you need Combat laser to guide a bomb, anyway. Training lase does not reflects enough energy for the bomb seeker to detect it.
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Training mode sounds like a pre-guidance laser.
train
/trān/
verb
gerund or present participle: training2. point or aim something, typically a gun or camera, at.
“the detective trained his gun on the side door”synonyms: aim, point, direct, level, focus; zero in
“she trained the gun on his chest”Yes, that is one interpretation of the word, but it is not the meaning the manual contains.
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Buddy lasing can be very complex and one of the reason it is rarely if ever use now a day ( specially on the F-16). In the last 10 year only aircraft I remember seeing buddy lasing ( in the US military) are USMC Harriers. This is more driven by their limited stores carrying capability. Some good thing about new pods is they can see the laser from other sources and some can even find them for the pilot automatically.
Not only do you have to have the correct code to guide the bomb ( each seeker is set on the ground and can not be change in the air on old Paveway II and III, not sure if applies to GBU-54) the lasing source has to be in the correct side and angle, etc. So the bomb can see it. Also, Pavewya II, AFAIK, can “stall” or fall short if lased to early. Other bombs actually benefit from early lasing (i.e. Paveway III)
Other thing to consider is maximum lasing time. Each pod type has a maximum lasing time and minimum cooling time. Additionally they have a maximum cycle ( times it can use the laser). So lasing can be very complex.
Training laser ( as mention before) can not guide weapons, it simply reduces the laser energy exposure and and allows pilots to used it without fear of harming people in the range or civilians so they can use it more freely ( with limitations of course). Combat laser can’t even be used in some ranges.
There is no communication between aircraft and LGB so only way to tell if bomb guided is to see the impact. The limitation is not the aircraft, but the bomb. Remember that all equipment in the bomb has to small enough not to affect bomb flight and it will be destroyed, so making the bomb “talk” to the aircraft just make it more expensive. Bombs like the GBU-15/AM-130 cost a lot and one of the reason is not used as much ( together with that is harder to use and need more equipment, etc.) Even new GBU like JDAMS will not “talk”. You lunch them and look for the impact to see if the bomb’s equipment work correctly.
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See this for a nice F-16 buddy lasing vid:
Coming in 3-4… :mrgreen:
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See this for a nice F-16 buddy lasing vid:
Coming in 3-4… :mrgreen:
So is 4.33. Trying to tell us something…?
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How does the TGP know when the bomb has picked up the beam?
My guess it doe not know. The flashing L means the TGP emits the beam and nothing else. (As I know at least with old LGBs maybe latest Paveway series has data link.)
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Okay, so now I have a whole new set of questions about Buddy Lasing:
How does MY F-16 know when the bomb drop should occur if my buddy is lasing the target?
Somehow my software must be aware of the target to calculate and display the steering and targeting information on my HUD, correct?
As I see you simply do nout understand what it means laser guidance. It is literally terminal correction to eliminate the CEP of iron bombs. So the buddy lasing it wors as way that you tell the bomb which laser beam - based on FREQ - should be aimed, the buddy lasing aim the designated target and the LGB platfrom aim as close to that point with any bomb aiming mode as possible. For make easier the aim some AC has or had laser spot tracker for ex. as Pave Penny on A-10. As I know TGPs also can act as laser spot tracker in case even the TGP carrer AC supported by buddy lasing.
(It is strange that literally all of comments are always carriers neative meaning…)
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No there is no DL and no nothing, it’s passive guidance on laser beam, so no the TGP doesn’t know when the bomb picked up the laser spot. You just drop the bomb, lase and hope that the bomb will pick up the laser spot (assuming you did everything OK, it should work…). TGP itself has special LST mode in order to lock on an active laser spot in the area of the sensor.
And BTW, for the OP… I suggest you to make it a habit to lase manually using the 1st trigger detent, as soon as you think appropriate. Although auto also works, in RL AFAIK manual lasing is used.
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And BTW, for the OP… I suggest you to make it a habit to lase manually using the 1st trigger detent, as soon as you think appropriate.
Fixed that for you. 2nd detent will be firing the guns.
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In this case, Training is an eye-safe mode for training (ie : exercising) pilot for laser operation. I think (not sure) that is the mode the laser is using for basic telemetry data too.
The only laser mode in BMS is Combat. IRL, you need Combat laser to guide a bomb, anyway. Training lase does not reflects enough energy for the bomb seeker to detect it.
I assume the CCRP needs slant range to compute when the bomb is released . Can the laser be used? or does it need AGR?
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I assume the CCRP needs slant range to compute when the bomb is released . Can the laser be used? or does it need AGR?
yes, the laser can be used for slant range. The laser IIRC is a higher priority sensor than the FCR for determining slant range.
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Fixed that for you.
Thanx! I changed my post
2nd detent will be firing the guns.
Yes but in real only if you are in guns mode, what we have currently in 4.32 is wrong.
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I can only fire the cannon in dogfight mode if I’m not mistaken.
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I can only fire the cannon in dogfight mode if I’m not mistaken.
You can also fire the gun in A-G mode if you select the gun on the SMS, and also in A-A mode with a similar caveat.
Im not sure what part of 4.32 is incorrectly modeled according to I-Hawk?
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What happen if you trigger 2nd detent just like that? will the gun fire or not?
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Not mine, but I have “triggerseconddetent” as callback, there is a callback “fire guns” too, but that does what you describe iirc.
Cheers
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What happen if you trigger 2nd detent just like that? will the gun fire or not?
For me, I can have Master Arm ON, but if I am in NAV mode then pulling the second trigger detent still does nothing.
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yes, the laser can be used for slant range. The laser IIRC is a higher priority sensor than the FCR for determining slant range.
how is that possible when the laser fires the 7sec before bomb impact.
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how is that possible when the laser fires the 7sec before bomb impact.
Forget about auto lasing… people should get used to lase manually… in RL the lasing is always manual AFAIK. So with 1st trigger detent you can lase whenever you like.