Radio Frequencies on BUP controls
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So, Ive gotten a couple of useful bits and pieces out of the epublishing AF site.
Specifically this is what started this thread about the radio frequencies.
This is the typical layout inside an aircraft shelter at Kunsan. Could be some useful stuff to add perhaps.
This one is probably much less useful for BMS, but I thought it looked cool anyway so I thought Id chuck it up here.
This is the typical layout for aircraft parked on the Juvat Flow.
This the same, for the Panton Flow.
This one shows taxi flow between the two Flows.
This shows hot pit refueling taxi flow.
And this one is a general taxi flow diagram for the base as a whole. Nice to see the typical mission from Kunsan usually follows this fairly closely, although I think Ive been guilty of blocking the ROKAF tree more than once…
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All that is already reflected by the newest Kunsan charts for BMS
as for the presets in the BUP, you can’t change them in 4.32 so forget it.
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taking a little poetic license with the frequencies, hey? fair enough.
when you update those charts, is there an announcement? Id just assumed that the most up to date ones were the ones in my install folder. Guess not…
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Red Dog I see you added ground/departure/approach/scramble on the latest version. I assume that’s eye candy and doesn’t work in BMS? Or am I missing a feature here?
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you can use it…. but the AI/Tower wont join you on it.
so basically yes, eye candy, unless you have a human acting as ATC… which is sorta hard to organise given the limited tools in BMS for that sort of thing.
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Glad you got it Bw
what happens if you click my sig?Fd,
We tried them in Mp in the past, and actually it works good enough with a little preparation and out of the box thinking
The good thing is that we actually can avoid the heavy chatter from the AI while we ramp and while we go out of the airspace.
Tower is still interesting to build your SA in congested event. but at least once you have enough SA, you can switch departure and at least communicate with your flightSo it’s not only eyecandy and can serve some purposes.
The hardest thing to coordinate is chocks, QNH & taxi information before you start Rolling. But that’s nothing impossible to do either (remember chocks works on any tower freq)Works great in a full human scenario as well, tbh, that’s the way it’s intended to be used
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@Red:
Glad you got it Bw
what happens if you click my sig?It takes me to your interactive map of korea.
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the new one with the updated charts, right?
That’s where the latest are
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so, no option to download them all at once?
well, it took a while to download the relevant AFIs from the epublishing site… it will surely be quicker to download plates from the map I guess.
out of interest, I also noted from this document that the arming areas at the EOR at kunsan are reversed? The aircraft being armed at EOR should be facing away from the base, rather than towards the runway. The current textures for the arming pads are incorrect
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Make sens doesn’t it?
At least when you’re at EOR you can check the final approach and not line up with a big C-17 landing -
er, no? you can see the runway better in this alignment, but you cant see the approach… and if you are lined up at the correct end of the runway, the approach end is the one you are worried about…!
I do get that the reason for the alignment of the pads is irrelevant in BMS (letting aircraft with armed forward firing ordnance enter and line up without having to have aircraft taxi in front of them), but its a little irksome. Most of the reasons for Kunsans layout are irrelevant in BMS…
Would be cool if this got fixed for the next version.
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I meant the real one is much better
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So, while I have your attention RD (yknow there was a pretty legendary canine with that moniker in the kimberley region of WA some years back…), how often would you update your published plates for korea?
Im just wondering if I should download them and have a copy, or if I should just download the ones I want from the site before each flight.
Physical copies make life a lot easier.
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@Red:
Fd,
We tried them in Mp in the past, and actually it works good enough with a little preparation and out of the box thinking
The good thing is that we actually can avoid the heavy chatter from the AI while we ramp and while we go out of the airspace.
Tower is still interesting to build your SA in congested event. but at least once you have enough SA, you can switch departure and at least communicate with your flightSo it’s not only eyecandy and can serve some purposes.
The hardest thing to coordinate is chocks, QNH & taxi information before you start Rolling. But that’s nothing impossible to do either (remember chocks works on any tower freq)Works great in a full human scenario as well, tbh, that’s the way it’s intended to be used
Ok, PvP I understand, human act is no problem. I was indeed thinking about AI. As one can’t remove chocks when not on tower, nor request taxi, QNH etc.
I thought maybe it was possible to have multiple frequencies set to the same airbase via the database or some bms file so that all the freq.'s actually just make you talk to the tower. -
admittedly Id like it if that kind of interactions between pilot and various ground agencies was improved to the level where different channels for ground, tower, approach etc were required in BMS.
Maybe for 4.34?
Id also be interested in how people coordinate comms plans for very large events like that.
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how often would you update your published plates for korea?
Normally with each major update. next one is 4.33.
unless of course something serious pops up and calls for an update.Physical copies make life a lot easier.
agreed
i have all mines on a jepp binder for easy access in flightAs one can’t remove chocks when not on tower, nor request taxi, QNH etc.
it’s actually quite simple to overcome that one. Pick a VHF ops frequency that is also a discreet tower freq (not homeplate) and you’ll be able to remove/ install chocks and even get QNH. since it does not change with location but with time in 4.32, you can consider it the regional QNH and you’ll be fine.
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admittedly Id like it if that kind of interactions between pilot and various ground agencies was improved to the level where different channels for ground, tower, approach etc were required in BMS.
Agree.
It would be “perfect” (much better) if we have separated freq for the:
- Tower (Taxi, takeoff, landing clearance)
and for the:
- “Approach” (GCA vectors at arrival, departures)
… same story for AWACS: would be good to have a:
- “Check In” freq (sort of limited broadcast for all packages, only limited to comm’s related to check in and check out procedures)
and the:
- “Tactical” freq filtering only your package and where only the tactical comm’s should takes place (without hearing the Intra Flight comm’s of others flight of the your package concerning only the flight internal management: fuel check, formation … etc …)
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Seems from the Kunsan Rules pdf off the epublishing website that tower at kunsan has a separate frequency for clearance delivery.
As long as we are on the wishlist, Id love some way to be able to specify aircraft movements as an air traffic controller. pie in the sky type dreams, but it would be pretty cool if the ATO listed aircraft to spawn for flights, and a ground controller could control what aircraft spawned where, assign them ground movement clearances, etc… hand that off to another human acting as tower controller (and presumably approaches/departures, SOF, etc)… probably never happen though.
We can dream
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all major civilian airports have delivery freq… i can’t remember seeing a delivery freq in exclusively military ones…
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agreed
clearance is way outside the scope of falcon
ground and departure make sense but let’s try not to turn this sim into FSX